Presidents’ Day look at El Presidente
On this holiday, I always think of Dennis Martinez, because he’s the obvious player to consider when thinking of baseball “presidents”.
It has been well-documented that Martinez struggled with alcohol in the early part of his career and apparently it significantly affected his performance. For the first half of his career (1976-1986), he had a 92 ERA+ over 1873 innings. From when he joined the Expos onward (1987-1998) he had a 122 ERA+ over 2126 innings.
Think how good he would have been if he’d been better during his prime years.
Here’s on quick way of showing how marked his career age split is.
Here are pitchers (1901-present) with the most innings pitched and an ERA+ between 90 and 95 in their first 10 years:
| Rk | Player | IP | From | To | Age | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Bob Groom | 2336.1 | 95 | 1909 | 1918 | 24-33 |
| 2 | Tom Hughes | 2074.1 | 94 | 1901 | 1909 | 22-30 |
| 3 | Bob Harmon | 2054.0 | 90 | 1909 | 1918 | 21-30 |
| 4 | Ross Grimsley | 1979.1 | 93 | 1971 | 1980 | 21-30 |
| 5 | Sid Hudson | 1953.2 | 93 | 1940 | 1952 | 25-37 |
| 6 | Jack Fisher | 1862.2 | 90 | 1959 | 1968 | 20-29 |
| 7 | Jaime Navarro | 1862.1 | 94 | 1989 | 1998 | 22-31 |
| 8 | Walt Terrell | 1850.0 | 95 | 1982 | 1991 | 24-33 |
| 9 | Jack Billingham | 1840.0 | 93 | 1968 | 1977 | 25-34 |
| 10 | Jeff Weaver | 1793.2 | 94 | 1999 | 2009 | 22-32 |
| 11 | Kevin Gross | 1789.2 | 95 | 1983 | 1992 | 22-31 |
| 12 | Ray Sadecki | 1777.2 | 95 | 1960 | 1969 | 19-28 |
| 13 | Ed Willett | 1773.1 | 95 | 1906 | 1915 | 22-31 |
| 14 | Dennis Martinez | 1768.1 | 93 | 1976 | 1985 | 21-30 |
| 15 | Woodie Fryman | 1715.2 | 94 | 1966 | 1975 | 26-35 |
| 16 | Dick Ruthven | 1701.1 | 95 | 1973 | 1982 | 22-31 |
| 17 | Bobby Witt | 1700.2 | 92 | 1986 | 1995 | 22-31 |
| 18 | Alex Kellner | 1696.2 | 93 | 1948 | 1957 | 23-32 |
| 19 | Bill Duggleby | 1687.1 | 95 | 1901 | 1907 | 27-33 |
| 20 | Jack Scott | 1672.2 | 93 | 1916 | 1927 | 24-35 |
El Presidente is #14 on a list of decent pitchers. Most of these guys are pretty well known and had a least a few high quality seasons as a starting pitcher, but it’s certainly not a list of really good players.
Now, only 22 non-active pitchers have had an ERA+ between 120 and 125 over their final 10 years:
| Rk | Player | IP | From | To | Age | G | GS | CG | SHO | GF | W | L | SV | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | IBB | HBP | BK | WP | Tm | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Hippo Vaughn | 2360.1 | 123 | 1912 | 1921 | 24-33 | 332 | 288 | 186 | 36 | 38 | 157 | 116 | .575 | 4 | 2112 | 870 | 637 | 701 | 1233 | 2.43 | 36 | 9728 | 68 | 6 | 52 | TOT-CHC | |
| 2 | Urban Shocker | 2359.2 | 125 | 1919 | 1928 | 28-37 | 360 | 286 | 182 | 27 | 58 | 169 | 104 | .619 | 22 | 2449 | 1021 | 860 | 539 | 839 | 3.28 | 120 | 9870 | 30 | 2 | 12 | SLB-NYY | |
| 3 | Dean Chance | 2129.0 | 120 | 1962 | 1971 | 21-30 | 401 | 290 | 83 | 33 | 60 | 128 | 113 | .531 | 23 | 1831 | 817 | 683 | 734 | 1523 | 2.89 | 122 | 8818 | 74 | 64 | 9 | 69 | LAA-CAL-MIN-TOT-DET |
| 4 | Carl Hubbell | 2116.0 | 124 | 1934 | 1943 | 31-40 | 318 | 257 | 151 | 17 | 47 | 153 | 90 | .630 | 19 | 2081 | 830 | 726 | 425 | 969 | 3.09 | 152 | 8760 | 22 | 0 | 35 | NYG | |
| 5 | Jim Palmer | 2081.1 | 124 | 1975 | 1984 | 29-38 | 290 | 278 | 113 | 27 | 6 | 139 | 83 | .626 | 2 | 1819 | 768 | 689 | 622 | 1035 | 2.98 | 170 | 8461 | 14 | 23 | 4 | 32 | BAL |
| 6 | Pete Alexander | 2073.2 | 124 | 1921 | 1930 | 34-43 | 288 | 253 | 162 | 13 | 24 | 138 | 94 | .595 | 11 | 2233 | 910 | 761 | 286 | 486 | 3.30 | 107 | 8555 | 14 | 0 | 15 | CHC-TOT-STL-PHI | |
| 7 | Eddie Lopat | 2030.0 | 122 | 1946 | 1955 | 28-37 | 287 | 269 | 134 | 25 | 10 | 145 | 89 | .620 | 2 | 2021 | 811 | 702 | 535 | 710 | 3.11 | 159 | 8426 | 5 | 35 | 5 | 11 | CHW-NYY-TOT |
| 8 | Sam Leever | 2016.0 | 122 | 1901 | 1910 | 29-38 | 302 | 228 | 179 | 32 | 61 | 157 | 64 | .710 | 10 | 1834 | 721 | 518 | 412 | 627 | 2.31 | 20 | 8016 | 68 | 3 | 28 | PIT | |
| 9 | Jim Scott | 1892.0 | 121 | 1909 | 1917 | 21-29 | 317 | 226 | 123 | 26 | 63 | 107 | 114 | .484 | 9 | 1624 | 686 | 483 | 609 | 945 | 2.30 | 21 | 7487 | 53 | 3 | 32 | CHW | |
| 10 | Bucky Walters | 1872.1 | 121 | 1940 | 1950 | 31-41 | 247 | 238 | 153 | 28 | 6 | 122 | 90 | .575 | 3 | 1729 | 728 | 618 | 633 | 677 | 2.97 | 91 | 7797 | 24 | 3 | 29 | CIN-BSN | |
| 11 | Dizzy Trout | 1841.2 | 123 | 1944 | 1957 | 29-42 | 339 | 213 | 114 | 21 | 92 | 117 | 105 | .527 | 23 | 1786 | 767 | 648 | 644 | 830 | 3.17 | 75 | 7775 | 0 | 21 | 4 | 24 | DET-TOT-BAL |
| 12 | Mort Cooper | 1817.0 | 124 | 1939 | 1949 | 26-36 | 291 | 236 | 127 | 33 | 38 | 126 | 74 | .630 | 13 | 1649 | 692 | 599 | 559 | 902 | 2.97 | 84 | 7546 | 27 | 7 | 28 | STL-BSN-TOT-CHC | |
| 13 | Eddie Rommel | 1803.1 | 120 | 1923 | 1932 | 25-34 | 370 | 172 | 97 | 13 | 136 | 121 | 76 | .614 | 23 | 1958 | 862 | 719 | 531 | 431 | 3.59 | 91 | 7751 | 23 | 2 | 22 | PHA | |
| 14 | Mel Parnell | 1752.2 | 125 | 1947 | 1956 | 25-34 | 289 | 232 | 113 | 20 | 36 | 123 | 75 | .621 | 10 | 1715 | 797 | 682 | 758 | 732 | 3.50 | 104 | 7548 | 3 | 28 | 3 | 41 | BOS |
| 15 | Dennis Martinez | 1746.2 | 121 | 1989 | 1998 | 34-43 | 298 | 248 | 41 | 16 | 13 | 108 | 77 | .584 | 3 | 1624 | 731 | 649 | 459 | 1024 | 3.34 | 144 | 7227 | 38 | 68 | 10 | 22 | MON-CLE-SEA-ATL |
| 16 | Frank Viola | 1746.1 | 125 | 1987 | 1996 | 27-36 | 256 | 256 | 41 | 10 | 0 | 113 | 86 | .568 | 0 | 1689 | 712 | 645 | 510 | 1158 | 3.32 | 147 | 7282 | 26 | 31 | 6 | 52 | MIN-TOT-NYM-BOS-CIN-TOR |
| 17 | Ted Lyons | 1711.1 | 125 | 1934 | 1946 | 33-45 | 214 | 205 | 160 | 12 | 7 | 110 | 86 | .561 | 1 | 1844 | 823 | 687 | 399 | 514 | 3.61 | 131 | 7291 | 16 | 2 | 21 | CHW | |
| 18 | Joe Dobson | 1675.0 | 120 | 1943 | 1954 | 26-37 | 282 | 222 | 93 | 17 | 39 | 109 | 79 | .580 | 14 | 1569 | 722 | 634 | 617 | 767 | 3.41 | 109 | 7020 | 5 | 7 | 41 | CHW-BOS | |
| 19 | David Cone | 1631.2 | 125 | 1993 | 2003 | 30-40 | 249 | 247 | 22 | 7 | 0 | 110 | 75 | .595 | 0 | 1445 | 733 | 678 | 677 | 1441 | 3.74 | 166 | 6929 | 17 | 74 | 8 | 81 | KCR-TOT-NYY-BOS-NYM |
| 20 | Tiny Bonham | 1551.0 | 120 | 1940 | 1949 | 26-35 | 231 | 193 | 110 | 21 | 27 | 103 | 72 | .589 | 9 | 1501 | 580 | 528 | 287 | 478 | 3.06 | 117 | 6284 | 9 | 2 | 4 | NYY-PIT | |
| 21 | Orval Overall | 1535.1 | 123 | 1905 | 1913 | 24-32 | 218 | 182 | 133 | 30 | 30 | 108 | 71 | .603 | 12 | 1232 | 520 | 381 | 551 | 935 | 2.23 | 16 | 6145 | 45 | 0 | 57 | CIN-TOT-CHC | |
| 22 | Dutch Leonard | 1532.2 | 124 | 1944 | 1953 | 35-44 | 354 | 172 | 81 | 14 | 119 | 96 | 88 | .522 | 29 | 1527 | 642 | 512 | 365 | 620 | 3.01 | 71 | 6380 | 30 | 3 | 39 | WSH-PHI-CHC |
There’s Martinez again–truly amazing for one guy to make both lists. And right away we see that this is a list of much, much better pitchers–most were All-Stars and a few are Hall of Famers.
Alcoholism and other addictions are serious problems. It’s wonderful that Dennis Martinez was able to overcome his addiction, but he’s the exception. It is our duty to help our fellow men and women who struggle with such issues.
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Hey – this guy pitched from the 1970s into the 1990s. He has a cool nickname. He won about 250 games, lost about 190. His ERA+ is just a bit better than average. Let’s build a narrative that says he’s a “winner,” he “pitched to the score” and then let’s try to get him in the Hall of Fame! That’d be fun, right? Because nobody would take that seriously. Wait what? There are people doing that for someone else who fits those criteria? Oh. My bad.
Well played!
Nice post Andy. I would actually divide Martinez’ career into three phases. He pitched decently from 78-81, twice having an OPS+ of 100, and twice 110. Those years were bookended by a 94 in ’77 and a ’96 in 82. While not as good as his later years, that was a pretty nice 6 year stretch. The period from 83-86 though was quite brutal as he posted ERA+ of 72, 77, 78, and 80.
BTW, when he was in Baltimore he was teammates with Tippy Martinez which is???? Funny??? Ironic???? Probably shouldn’t be mentioned???
Martinez ranks 8th since 1901 in ERA+ in the 12th through 21st (or fewer) seasons of a career (min. 1500 IP during that period). The top 10.
1. Randy Johnson, 146
2. Cy Young, 141
3. Roger Clemens, 134
4. Greg Maddux, 133
4. Curt Schilling, 133
6. Walter Johnson, 131
7. Red Ruffing, 130
8. Dennis Martinez, 128
9. Pete Alexander, 126
10. Ted Lyons, 125
10. Steve Carlton, 125
Martinez still makes the top 10 if the criterion is changed to age 32-41.
1. Randy Johnson, 162
2. Cy Young, 147
3. Lefty Grove, 144
4. Kevin Brown, 138
5. Roger Clemens, 134
6. Curt Schilling, 133
6. Pete Alexander, 133
8. Dazzy Vance, 132
9. Bob Gibson, 131
10. Dennis Martinez, 128
Happy Presidents’ Day!
Here is the “The” list presidents:
1. Ron Washington
2. Mike Adams
3. Shoeless Joe Jackson (Jefferson)
4. Madison Bumgarner
5. Craig Monroe
6. Emil Brown (John “Quincy” Adams)
7. Reggie Jackson
8. Jermaine Van Buren
9. Matt Harrison
10. Jon Lester (Tyler)
11. Keith Foulke (Polk)
12. David Price (Taylor)
13. Fillmore [minors]
14. Billy Pierce
15. Brian Buchanan
16. Brad Lincoln
17. Randy Johnson
18. Cecil Fielder (Grant)
19. Von Hayes
20. Harry Lumley (Garfield)
21. Don Mattingly (Arthur)
22. Grover Cleveland Alexander
23. Benji Molina (“Benjamin” Harrison)
24. Grover Cleveland Alexander (“Grover” Cleveland)
25. Bud Harrelson (McKinley)
26. Ted Lilly (Teddy “Roosevelt”)
27. Taffy Wright (Taft)
28. C.J. Wilson
29. Hardy Richardson (Harding)
30. Cal McLish (Coolidge – chaeck out his full name)
31. Paul Hoover
32. Butch Wynegar (Franklin “Delano” Roosevelt)
33. John Wasdin (Truman)
34. Charlie Eisenhower [minors]
35. Ian Kennedy
36. Harold Baines (Lyndon “Baines” Johnson)
37. Trot Nixon
38. Whitey Ford
39. Gary Carter
40. Doug Ault (Reagan)
41. Dave Bush
42. Bobby Richardson (Clinton)
43. Roy Oswalt (George “W.” Bush)
44. no hits for “Barack” or “Hussein” or “Obama”
Other possibilities.
George Washington (1935-36)
John Bertram (Bert) Adams (1910-19)
James Madison Pearce (1949-55)
Lawrence James Monroe (1976)
Emil Quincy Brown (1997-2009)
Andrew Jackson Reese (1927-30)
Martin Van Buren Walker (1928)
William Henry Harrison Geer (1874-85)
Johnnie Tyler (1934-35)
John Knox (1972-75)
Zachary Taylor (1874)
Millard (Dixie) Howell (1940-58)
Monty Franklin Pierce Stratton (1934-38)
Brian James Buchanan (2000-04)
Abraham Lincoln Bailey (1919-21)
Kelly Andrew Johnson (2005-11)
Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner (1922-31)
Frankie (Blimp) Hayes (1933-47)
James Garfield Durham (1902)
Chester Arthur Crist (1906)
Grover Cleveland Lowdermilk (1909-20)
Benjamin Harrison Taylor (HOF, Negro League)
William McKinley (Max) Venable (1979-91)
Jackie Roosevelt Robinson (1947-56)
Taft (Taffy) Wright (1938-49)
Woodrow Wilson Williams (1938-45)
Charlie Harding (1913)
Calvin Coolidge Ermer (1947)
Joe Hoover (1943-45)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt Wieand (1958-60)
Truman Eugene (Tex) Clevenger (1954-62)
John Dwight (Jack) Chesbro (1899-1909)
John Kennedy (1962-74)
Lynn Johnson (minors, 1937-45)
Richard Nixon (minors, 1924-25)
Ford Frick
James Carter (minors, 1966-67)
George Bush (minors, 1902)
Ronald Reagan (minors, 1973-74)
William Clinton Zepp (1969-71)
Homer Bush (1997-2004)
Jacob Barrack (minors, 2004-06)
Otis Nixon. Though not a crook, he was caught stealing 186 times. Resigned, er, retired in 1999.
There _was_ a Richard Nixon in the (Class D) minors from 1924-25.
Cal McLish also makes the list of Roman rulers.
One more for the elected president who was never inaugurated:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gorege01.shtml
I’m waiting to make a post where Dr. Doom or Ed isn’t the first commenter. (Not that I don’t appreciate your loyalty as readers and contributions as commenters!)
To be fair, I follow the RSS feed for this site, plus I’m in grad school. I’m at my computer most of the day, and so I see stuff really quickly. Plus, I’m ALWAYS looking for an excuse not to be doing my homework, so I come over and visit just to check on the comments probably 25 times per day. Actually, when I read that sentence, it makes my life sound sad. But frankly, is there a better distraction than baseball?
And I’m unemployed (partially by choice) and an internet addict!
If the infamous ’48 Chicago Tribune headline had been right, our list would gain a CYA winner and a should-be(?) HOFer.
I’d call that a good return on these fellows.
I suppose I’ve waited in vain for this ex-D-leaguer … never going to be a candidate for President or Commissioner.
Funny — the only Adlai ever to play MLB also went 0-2.
(Of course, one was a governor, the other a Senator.)
The only 3-time runner-up had three namesakes in the big leagues, including a HOFer.
And then there was five-time loser Eugene Debs and Debs Garms.
Can you explain why Whitey Ford isn’t on the second list. I’m missing something.
Never mind. He was higher than 125, I suppose.
If you say it fast enough, it almost works:
Brock Sain Bama.
Better yet how about Barr Aker Bama.
Swap in Acker for Aker and I’m sold!
First name Dennis, problem with booze, porn ‘stache, bad hair cut. Eck?