Tony Gwynn 1960-2014

Tony GwynnHall of Famer and Circle of Greats inductee Tony Gwynn passed away today after a lengthy battle with cancer. Gwynn retired in 2001 after a 20-year career, all with the Padres. Gwynn’s 3141 hits are the most in the NL since 1970, and his career .338 batting average is second only to Ted Williams’ .344  among players whose careers began after 1923.

More on the career of Mr. Padre after the jump.

Gwynn debuted in 1982 as a 22 year-old, playing every inning of his first 35 games after a July call-up, and finishing with a .289 average in 209 PA. That would be the last time that Gwynn did not hit .300 in a season. Somewhat surprisingly, Gwynn did not make the big club coming out of spring training in 1983 and struggled after a June call-up, with his season average dropping to  .229 after going 1 for 8 in a July 29 double-header. But, Gwynn hit his stride after that, finishing the season with a .339 average over his final 245 PA, including a 25 game hitting streak beginning on Aug 21st. On Sep 14th, near the end of that streak, Gwynn went 3 for 4  against the Giants to raise his career batting average to .300. It would not drop below that level for the rest of his career.

Gwynn’s 19 seasons batting .300 with at least 100 PA trail only Cap Anson and Ty Cobb, with 24 and 23 seasons respectively. Gwynn’s 6 qualifying seasons with a .350 average are tied with Paul Waner, Lou Gehrig and Al Simmons for the most among players whose careers began since the start of the live ball era. With one more game in 1996, Gwynn would have had a 7th qualifying season above .350, exceeded since 1901 only by Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby and Ruth. That batting prowess translated into 8 league batting titles, tied with Honus Wagner for the most in the NL, and trailing only Cobb’s total of 11.

Gwynn was never a power hitter, but did stroke 543 career doubles, including 16 straight seasons above the 20 mark. While Gwynn did not walk a great deal (he had only one season of 60 BBs), he made up for it by striking out even less. A lot less, in fact. Among his contemporaries, Gwynn’s 0.549 career SO/BB ratio trails only Wade Boggs and Ozzie Smith. Gwynn had 13 seasons with as many doubles as strikeouts, more than any other player active since 1966 (and more than twice as many as any player active since 1991). Included were a string of 12 seasons, the longest streak to close out a career since Frankie Frisch‘s 17 straight years ending in 1937.

Gwynn had an unusual “double-peak” career with 30.1 oWAR aged 24-29, then 3 seasons all below 3.0 WAR, followed by a second peak of 20.8 oWAR aged 33-37. Gwynn is the only player in baseball history to bat .350 in 400+ PA in each of his age 34 to age 37 seasons, with all-time rankings of 2nd, 5th, 6th and 2nd respectively for his season averages at those ages.

Probably the biggest what-if of Gwynn’s career is the strike-shortened 1994 season and Gwynn’s pursuit of .400. While Gwynn did not touch .400 after May 15th, he was  definitely heating up with the weather that year, riding a .423/.472/.613 second-half slash when the season came to its abrupt and premature end with Gwynn batting .394, the highest qualifying average since Ted Williams‘ .406 in 1941.

Gwynn notched hit number 3000 off Dan Smith of the Expos with a 1st inning single in a wild 1999 game won by the Padres 12-10. The Expos used 5 pitchers that day and Gwynn got a hit off 4 of them. He would have one more 4 hit game that year (part of a 7 for 8 double-header!), the last of 45 for his career.

Gwynn was part of another 3000 hit game two years later. On the last day of Gwynn’s farewell 2001 season, teammate Rickey Henderson led off the home 1st with a double as he and Gwynn became just the 4th set of 3000 hit teammates (the others are Cobb and Eddie Collins in 1927, those two plus Speaker in 1928, and Eddie Murray and Dave Winfield in 1995). Rickey then took a seat to leave center stage to Gwynn, who made a 9th inning pinch-hit appearance with Padres down by 9 runs. It was San Diego’s loudest ever groundout  to shortstop.

Quiz time …

I would be remiss in not mentioning Gwynn’s exact contemporary Wade Boggs (Boggs was two years Gwynn’s senior, but both debuted in the same season). The two posted similar career stats in most offensive categories, but the one key area where they differed resulted in an extra 20 oWAR for Boggs, on the strength of almost twice as many walks as Gwynn (and almost twice as many strikeouts, as well) . Curiously, Boggs led his league in IBB for six straight seasons compared to none for Gwynn, but Gwynn had a 203-180 edge in career IBB totals despite about one season’s worth more PA for Boggs. For another quirk, those two and one other player have the only seasons with an unusual batting feat. What is it?

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Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 years ago

As far as I know Gwynn’s .289 BA in 1982 is the second highest seasonal minimum for players with at least 10 years in the ML. The highest is Sam Rice’s .293 in 1934.

David P
David P
9 years ago

Bob Welch died last week. That seemed to slip under the radar.

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
9 years ago
Reply to  David P

Gwynn vs. Welch:
AB___H__2B__3B__HR__BB_IBB__SO_HBP__SH__SF___AVG___OBP___SLG
48__14__ 2___0___0___2___1___4___0___0___0__.292__.320__.333

JasonZ
9 years ago

Tony Gwynn is Mr. Padre.

An interesting exercise which speaks both to
Mr. Gwynn ‘s greatness and the Padres lack of,

Who is #2?

No looking.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago
Reply to  JasonZ

I got #2 and #3 (by Hall Rating) in order. But #4… well, he’s a well-known Pdre, but he’s not one of the top 4 Friars I think of.

Steven
Steven
9 years ago

Tony Gwynn was-like Stan Musial-a great hitter and a good guy. Another former Padre (albeit for only their inaugural season), with a name made for a closer- Billy McCool-passed away last week.

mosc
mosc
9 years ago

You may have seen this but here’s Gwynn on Gwynn:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v33770083/twib-tony-gwynn-breaks-down-the-art-of-hitting

He was the book on hitting let alone writing it.

RJ
RJ
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Fascinating, thanks for sharing.

Tim Pea
Tim Pea
9 years ago

This one was sad because Tony seemed like such a great guy. He had a peculiar voice and was kind of pudgy as well. He was one of kind for sure. Something overlooked above is that Gwynn missed a lot of time to injuries. Injuries and the baseball strike probably cost him 300 or more career hits.

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago

Gwynn as a batting average monster gets compared to Ted Williams and Wade Boggs, but Teddy and Wade benefited enormously, as a batting average matter, from a home park advantage that Tony never enjoyed. Williams’ home/road batting average split was .361/.328, while Boggs had a home/road BA split of .354/.302. Gwynn’s home/road batting average split (.343 home/.334 road), in contrast, reflected the standard home/road split difference of about .009. The overall major league BA home/road split for the 2000-2014 period has been .267/.258; and interestingly it’s the same numbers, .267/.258, if you go all the back and do 1914-2014. Bottom… Read more »

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

for pure BA, I think Gwynn belongs above Gehrig as will, since if you look at league averages, BA was significantly higher in the 20s and 30s. I believe, in the history of the game, only Cobb and maybe Speaker, who put up many of their gaudy numbers in the deadball era, could legitimately be said to have been better at getting a base by putting a ball in play than Mr. Gwynn.

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago

Good point, Michael. The MLB overall batting average over the years of Gehrig’s career was .281, 18 points higher than the .263 it was during the years of Gwynn’s career. Gehrig’s carer road BA (to the extent we are using that as a crude form of home park adjustment)was 17 points higher than Gwynn’s (.351 to .334). Gehrig, like DiMaggio, suffered from a home park disadvantage in batting average (.329 at home, .351 on the road)

bstar
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

birtelcom: I get it, Gwynn and Boggs’ careers overlapped almost perfectly, but I always thought Rod Carew was Tony’s best comp when it came to pure BA. I think even the most ardent member of Redsox Nation would have to fess up that as far as pure BA goes in a neutral hitting environment, Wade Boggs was not the equal of Gwynn, Carew, or Williams. But before anyone thinks I’m piling on Boggs, I admit fully he is one of the most powerful OBP forces the game has seen since Teddy Ballgame. But that’s another thing: Boggs and Williams were… Read more »

MikeD
MikeD
9 years ago
Reply to  bstar

I’ve always linked Carew and Gwynn as similar type of hitters, as much as these things go. I don’t think any hitter is truly like another hitter from a career perspective. Like snowflakes, many look similar, but there are differences. I do wonder if we’ll see a return to hitters more similar to Carew and Gwynn. Not as great as they were at their peaks, but the more line-to-line approach, with hitters not necessarily looking to load, pull and try to crush every pitch, even on two-strike counts. That certainly worked well, but with the increasing use of shifts and… Read more »

bstar
9 years ago
Reply to  Doug

But, Doug, don’t the difference in offensive environments AND Boggs’ massive home/road BA split both favor Carew over Boggs in terms of pure BA? You’re stating it like they oppose each other. It can’t be the H/R splits that favor Boggs, so you must be suggesting that Carew played in a higher offensive environment than Boggs. I don’t think that’s true. There is a stat called AIR which combines offensive environment and park factors for hitters. Boggs’s career mark is 104 (over 100 is favorable for hitter) while Carew is at 94. Also, we can look at their neutralized-for-context career… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  bstar

I was looking to see if I could find anybody playing today who remotely profiles in the Gwynn mode of hitting: higher priority on base hits, less on OBP and SLG. It’s certainly not a popular approach these days. Ichiro and Jeter both have Gwynn-like aspects, but they are both at the tail end of their careers. The closest I could find among under age 30 guys might be Matt Carpenter in St. Louis, whose 2013 season looks somewhat like a few of Gwynn’s lower BA seasons.

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

He’s not under 30, and he walks a little too much, but Joe Mauer has a lot of Gwynn-like hitting aspects (a little power, well above .300 average, and even a very similar OPS+ number – 133 to Gwynn’s 132). Mauer appears to drive in more runs than Gwynn, but that’s probably because he hits lower in the order than Gwynn did (especially early in Gwynn’s career). Mauer has that one fluky season in which he hit 28 HRs, but his career high other than that is 13. I’m guessing, or hoping I should say, that the Gwynn-type makes a… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  Artie Z.

Yes, good point, Mauer is an example of an excellent contemporary hitter with a lot of his offensive value residing in his batting average.

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  Artie Z.

With all the attention shifting is getting, here are the overall MLB batting average for hitters on balls in play the past few seasons:
2011: .295
2012: .297
2013: .297
2014 so far: .298

That’s a very crude measure, but it does suggest that the growing adoption of shifting is not exactly moving the dial in large increments.

Of course if shifting were making it materially harder to get base hits, that might even expand further the value of Three True Outcomes hitters (the shift doesn’t do any good against homers and walks)

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
9 years ago
Reply to  Artie Z.

b-com – that’s batting average though. I think the tradeoff is giving David Ortiz and his pull happy hitting brethren a bunt single rather than risk him hitting a double or HR (or a non-bunt single). I’m not sure there is a quick and dirty way to measure that.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago
Reply to  bstar

@26/bstar; Gwynn, Carew, and Boggs are probably the trio of high-average hitters most similar to each other: GWYNN – ‘most similar hitters’: (1. Zack Wheat) 2. CAREW (3. Paul Waner) 4. BOGGS CAREW – ‘most similar hitters’: 1. BOGGS (2. Sam Rice) 3 GWYNN BOGGS – ‘most similar hitters’: 1. CAREW 2. GWYNN (3. Paul Waner) I’d agree that Carew is more similar to Gwynn than to Wade Boggs, because while all three were very high-average/moderate power hitters, Boggs walked a _lot_ more than Gwynn and Carew. Also, Gwynn and Carew had a longer period of BA-dominance than Boggs, whose… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
9 years ago

My first impression of Tony Gwynn came from playing Strat-O-Matic, with the 1983 set. I was strictly a Tigers fan then, didn’t really follow the NL, and Tony still hadn’t logged a full year, so his name meant nothing to me. My friend Pete Peterson loves puns even more than I do, and he’d pull one for every name in his lineup. Leading off a series opener, Pete announced: “Tony Gwynn — I’m Gwynn-a get a hit!” And he did. That was in spring of ’84. And as I quickly became aware of Gwynn as an actual ballplayer, Pete’s silly… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

And Jorge Orta get a hit.

bstar
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Have to say this once a year at least: that bleepin’ winner-take-all finale of the ’84 NLCS should have been played at Wrigley, not The Murph!

wlcmlc
wlcmlc
9 years ago

Any idea why he had 3 pedestrian years (for him at least) when he was 30-31-32 (averages of .309, .317, & .317)?

birtelcom
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  wlcmlc

His Wikipedia entry has an interesting discussion of that mid-career crisis period for him, and speculates that his meeting with Ted Williams in 1992 helped him get out of it. The feud with Jack Clark is fascinating — Clark kind of epitomized the exact opposite style of hitting from Gwynn’s, which makes their confrontation rather more provocative than a run-of-the-mill personal fight. Gwynn’s career really is instructive in many ways about the craft and art of baseball batting.

John Autin
Editor
9 years ago

Gwynn’s clutch stats are no big surprise, since his .338 career average was the highest since Williams. But still worth noting. These are measured from 1939, when Williams debuted, with a minimum of 1,000 PAs in the split; stats are incomplete for a few players (including Williams & Musial), but anyway: RISP — .349 BA, #1 — 10 points clear of #2 Carew, 18 points over #5 Williams, 25 over Musial and Boggs. High-leverage — .345 BA, #1 — 9 points over #2 Musial, 18 over Williams, 23 over Boggs. Late & close — .353 BA, #1 — 12 points… Read more »

mosc
mosc
9 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Smoltz has joked several times he still has nightmares about facing Tony Gwynn.

John Autin
Editor
9 years ago

Virtually every split speaks to Gwynn’s excellence at his craft. For instance, batting against relief pitchers: Gwynn was one of the first great hitters whose whole career came after relievers seized a much more prominent role. In 1978, four years before his debut, relievers claimed 27% of NL innings. By 1984, his first full year, they had 31%, rising to 32% by 1997 (his last batting crown) and 33% in his final year. That growth has slowed since then, reaching 34% last year. So: Since 1980, 197 players had 2,000 PAs against relievers. Comparing that performance against overall, this group’s… Read more »

mosc
mosc
9 years ago

RISP .349 BA… that just blows my mind. In 1997, he hit .459 in those situations (179 PA)

He was the best contact hitter ever, any generation, by a large margin in my eyes.

Jimbo
Jimbo
9 years ago

He Even as an overweight 41 year old pinch hitter, he batted .324

I cant think of anyone else that did anything like that.

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
9 years ago

Gwynn’s 2001 season always fascinated me because he scored so few runs despite having a decent amount of XBH given the number of hits he had (I know why – he’d get a hit as a pinch-hitter and they’d take him out of the game). Wondering how rare it was … There are only 9 players in history with 30+ hits, 10+ XBH, and more than 6 times as many hits as runs in a season. Six of those seasons are by catchers. The other two non-catcher seasons are: 1931 Smead Jolley OF 1943 Kerby Farrell 1B-P (yes, pitcher; he… Read more »

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago
Reply to  Artie Z.

Two theories, without actually looking into them too much: First, Gwynn was used primarily as a pinch hitter that season. Is it possible that a few of those hits were walk-offs? If so, that would explain part of the lack of scoring. Second, Gwynn was old, tubby, and slow at that point, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had been pulled for a pinch-runner on a number of those occasions. Especially if one imagines Gwynn doubling in the bottom of nine as a pinch hitter – why not just bring in someone to run for him, so that the… Read more »

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
9 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

It’s the second one – he was almost always being lifted for a pinch runner. It doesn’t look like he had any potential walk-off RBI that year – the only one that could have come in the 9th was in a loss on Tax Day (April 15th for those of you not in the US).

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Didn’t Miggy also do it in 2012?

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
9 years ago

Gwynn is also responsible for Mark McGwire’s only triple in the final 13 years of his career, as Gwynn robbed Big Mac of a homer (which would have been his second of the game) in this game: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN199908020.shtml