Circle of Great Round 68 Results: Ryne Gold

It took 59 rounds of voting to elect the great Cubs second baseman (to go along with the great Cubs shortstop/first baseman and the great Cubs third baseman previously elected), but in a closely contested round, Ryne Sandberg was chosen as the 68th inductee into the High Heat Stats Circle of Greats. More on Sandberg and the voting after the jump.

Most Wins Above Replacement (“WAR”, baseball-reference.com version) in the NL, 1982-1993
1. Ryne Sandberg 62.73
2. Ozzie Smith 62.71
3. Barry Bonds 60.0
4. Tony Gwynn 51.5
5. Dwight Gooden 47.1

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Most Home Runs As #2 Batter in the Batting Order, MLB History
1. Ryne Sandberg 186
2. Derek Jeter 139
3. Jay Bell 135
4. Robin Yount 131
5. Alex Rodriguez 121

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Highest Power-Speed Number For A Single Franchise, MLB History
1. Willie Mays 442.1 for the Giants
2. Barry Bonds 363.1 for the Giants
3. Hank Aaron 361.6 for the Braves
4. Craig Biggio 341.8 for the Astros
5. Ryne Sandberg 309.9 for the Cubs

(Power-Speed Number is the harmonic mean of the hitter’s home runs and his stolen bases)

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Notes on this round’s voting:

–Ryne Sandberg appeared on 27 ballots this round, 38% of those submitted, the most support he’d ever received in a Circle of Greats round. He received 24 votes (30%) in his first appearance on the ballot, way back in our 10th COG round. Then he didn’t top 15 votes again until Round 60, when he reached 20 votes, which was his recent high water mark until his breakout to induction level in this Round 68.

–Sandberg’s success this round might not have come as a huge surprise, though. In last week’s balloting, Ryne came in third, behind only inductee Bob Feller and first-time candidate Lou Boudreau.

–Boudreau received exactly the same 15 votes this round as he did last round. But with 50 votes that had gone to Bob Feller in the 1917 balloting up for grabs, the 15-vote support level that got Boudreau second place last round got him only eighth place this round.

–Eddie Murray topped 25% support for the first time since his second appearance on the ballot, way back in our Round 15. That new support now gets Eddie off the “bubble” for the first time in many rounds. Craig Biggio, Whitey Ford and Pee Wee Reese were all also over the 25% support level this round, but they already had some eligibility built up. Harmon Killebrew and Kevin Brown each fell a single vote short of the 25% threshold, just missing getting off the bubble.

–With Sandberg ascendant, the number of players on the holdover list declines from thirteen to twelve. With Murray moving up to two rounds of assured eligibility, the number of holdovers at the immediate risk we call the bubble, declines from eight to seven. Which means we are clearing some room for another redemption round, coming soon.

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The full spreadsheet showing this round’s vote tally is here: COG 1916 Round 1 Vote Tally.

The vote summary for recent Circle of Greats voting rounds is here: COG Vote Summary 2 .  An archive with details of the 1968 through 1939 rounds is here: COG 1968-1939 Vote Summary .  In both cases, raw vote totals for each past round appear on Sheet 1 and the percentage totals for each past round appear on Sheet 2.

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A spreadsheet listing the full membership to date of the Circle of Greats, along with some of their stats, is here: Circle of Greats Membership . You can also find that same link any time by clicking on “Circle of Greats” at the top of the High Heats Stats home page.

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Voomo Zanzibar
9 years ago

Congratulations to Ryne Sandberg. How would you rate him all-time among 2nd baseman? I have him roughly 10th. ________________________ 2nd Basemen, Wins Above Average Leaders: 97.5 … Rajah 78.8 … Eddie Collins 63.2 … Joe Morgan 57.9 … Nap Lajoie 45.4 … Charlie Gehringer 43.4 … Bobby Grich 43.2 … Chase Utley 42.5 … Lou Whitaker 39.4 … Jackie Robinson 39.1 … Frankie Frisch 38.1 … Ryne Sandberg 37.1 … Joe Gordon 35.7 … Willie Randolph 32.3 … Roberto Alomar 28.7 … Craig Biggio 28.3 … Robinson Cano 27.0 … Bobby Doerr 26.6 … Billy Herman 26.3 … Jeff Kent… Read more »

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

@1/VZ;

I’d rate Sandberg #7-#12 all-time amongst second basemen:

– well behind Lajoie, Collins, Hornsby, Morgan
– definitely behind Gehringer and J. Robinson
BUT…..
– comparable to Frisch, Carew, Alomar, Biggio, Utley
AND…
– better than a number of HOFers such as Gordon, Fox, Doerr, Herman

By B-R’s JAWS, he is very close to average the average of HOF second basemen; slightly above on peak, slightly below on career.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

#11;

Very perceptive; Bill James pointed out this out in his BJHA, how second basemen and third basemen essentially switched qualifications sometime in the 1920s. If they played in the last few decades, Lajoie and Hornsby would probably be third basemen.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago

All-Time Vote-Getters Update! I know you’re all excited! As always, “active” players marked with an *. *Craig Biggio – 697 John Smoltz – 658 *Ryne Sandberg – 607 *Kenny Lofton – 560 Edgar Martinez – 507 *Roberto Alomar – 505 Lou Whitaker – 493 *Eddie Murray – 484 Bobby Grich – 376 Sandy Koufax – 375 Tony Gwynn – 346 Willie McCovey – 336 Juan Marichal – 268 Tom Glavine – 262 Alan Trammell – 239 *Whitey Ford – 234 Mike Mussina – 233 Curt Schilling – 224 Nolan Ryan – 220 Ron Santo – 217 Tim Raines – 213… Read more »

brp
brp
9 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

I actually think someone should contact Biggio and see if we can get him to come here and vote for himself.

I will not use Twitter so someone else can go for it.

Voomo Zanzibar
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Do you think Biggio would vote for himself?
I’m a huge fan of his earlier work, but talk about hanging around for too long and piling up.

He had a -5.5 WAA over his last 8 years.
That’s over 5000 PA.

Here’s how Biggio compares to Sandberg through the season in which he passed 9282 PA (the length of Ryno’s career):

Sandberg
67.5 WAR
38.1 WAA

2386 Hits
282 HR
344 SB

.285 .344 .452 .795 114+
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Biggio
61.0 WAR
34.0 WAA

2295 Hits
195 HR
381 SB

.288 .377 .434 .811 118+
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Pretty comparable.

brp
brp
9 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

I don’t know, but it’d be really interesting to find out.

T-Bone
T-Bone
9 years ago

Finally! Congratulations to Ryne Sandberg. I have voted for him every time he was eligible except, I think, twice. Once I missed the vote entirely (No after effects from the coma. I’m fine now. Kidding!) I look forward to the votes and more importantly the discussions. I don’t post very much but I do enjoy reading your discussions. While I know Sandberg isn’t the best ever, I always appreciated his talent and his class.

Now I need another cause to vote for. Hhmmm.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago
Reply to  T-Bone

If you want another second baseman who’s been on the ballot for a thousand years, there’s always Biggio… and Alomar. Take your pick!