Circle of Greats Redemption Round #10

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This Circle of Greats (COG) vote is not to induct anyone into the Circle, but only to select three players who will be restored back to the main ballot after having been previously dropped from eligibility. This tenth and last “redemption round” (we’ve been holding such redemption rounds interspersed among the regular voting rounds every tenth voting round or so) gives voters a chance to reconsider past candidates who have previously fallen off the regular induction ballots.

In this vote you may include on your three-man ballot any major league baseball player who was born between 1880 and 1970 and has not been elected to the Circle of Greats and is not currently on the 1878-79 COG ballot. As usual, you must vote for three and only three players to cast a qualifying ballot. The three players who appear on the most ballots will be restored to eligibility for the next regular, induction round of COG voting.

There are many players who are eligible for your votes in this redemption round. As an optional aid to your selection process, I’ve put together two lists, one for pitchers and one for everyday players, that include some stats for a substantial selection of relevant players: Redemption Round #10 Optional Player Lists. Both lists (the two lists are on separate sheets in the workbook) show the players who rank in the top 200 in career Batting or Pitching WAR among those born between 1880 and 1970. Again, these spreadsheets represent entirely discretionary lists — your full options are as stated: all major leaguers born between 1880 and 1970 who have not been inducted into the COG and are not on the 1878-79 ballot that is also the subject of a vote this week.

The deadline to cast your ballots in this redemption round is Tuesday night, October 27th at 11:59PM EDT. You can change your votes until 11:59PM EDT on Sunday night, October 25th. You can keep track of the vote tally in this redemption round here: COG Redemption Round 10 Vote Tally.

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brp

8 years ago

The optional player list required me to ask for permission. Can this document be “opened up” please?

Dr. Doom

8 years ago

If you look in the 1880 COG balloting, a few of us had some nice discussions about “misses” in the COG. That has completely determined where I’m going with this vote.

Willie Randolph
Rick Reuschel
Jim Bunning

Dr. Doom

8 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

I’m going to change my vote here.

Willie Randolph
Rick Reuschel
Wes Ferrell

Hartvig

8 years ago

Wes Ferrell, Ted Lyons, Rick Reuschel

mosc

8 years ago

Wes Ferrell, Monte Irvin, Willie Randolph

Gary Bateman

8 years ago

I decided to go with a trio who had brothers who played the game, too.

Ken Boyer
Joe Sewell
Wes Ferrell

Andy

8 years ago

Wes Ferrell, Ken Boyer, Sal Bando

Andy

8 years ago

Reply to Andy

Sorry, I wasn’t able to see the list of candidates so I forgot about Jim Edmonds. I’m changing my vote to Ferrell, Boyer, Edmonds.

Author

Doug

8 years ago

Sorry about the link to the Player Stats. It should work now.

Chris C

8 years ago

I can’t see anyone from the lists making it all the way to the COG at this point. I’m simply voting for a Red Sox outfield.

Jim Rice, Fred Lynn, Dwight Evans (with apologies to Tony Armas)

Hartvig

8 years ago

Reply to Chris C

I don’t know. There was a time when I was almost positive that we would still be making up our minds on Kenny Lofton when we were casting our final ballot.

brp

8 years ago

Willie Randolph
Don Sutton
Tommy John, for contributions!

Paul E

8 years ago

Bobby Bonds, Billy Williams, Ted Simmons

Voomo Zanzibar

8 years ago

Vote:

Stan Coveleski
Wes Ferrell
Willie Randolph

koma

8 years ago

Wes Ferrell, Ken Boyer, Bobby Bonds

Kirk

8 years ago

Rick Reuschel, Buddy Bell and Red Faber

T-Bone

8 years ago

Reuschel, Billy Williams, Reggie Smith

Mike HBC

8 years ago

Jim Abbott
Curtis Pride
Jim Eisenreich

Hub Kid

8 years ago

Reggie Smith, Ted Lyons, Wes Ferrell

Smith deserves a shot, Ferrell deserves another one, and Lyons only barely got knocked off the holdover list after hanging on for a long time.

I hate to leave Dwight Evans off as I am sure he belongs, but I don’t think another spell on the ballot would be to any avail.

Dave Humbert

8 years ago

Palmeiro, B. Bell, Coveleski

Raffy is 1 of only 5 players with 3000 H and 500 HR, no easy feat with steroids or not. Bell is one of those rare 3B guys (ranks a bit higher at his position than Randolph), and Coveleski has an efficient WAR gain rate of 1 per 47.4 innings (separating him from the other high 60’s WAR pitchers). Not sure any of the remaining outfielders could get into the COG, given the traffic among holdovers.

8 years ago

Rick Reuschel, Hal Newhouser, Reggie Smith

billh

8 years ago

Palmeiro, Mattingly, Munson

Hub Kid

8 years ago

Vote Change: Reggie Smith, Ted Lyons, Hal Newhouser

I think I’ll switch Newhouser for Ferrell; Ferrell already spent a good deal of time on the ballot, and the COG voting seems especially hard on ‘war baseball’.

Mike HBC

8 years ago

Since my vote apparently never registered when I tried a couple of days ago, here is my customary vote for the ONLY THREE PEOPLE eligible for the silly redemption round who are actually worthy:

Jim Abbott
Curtis Pride
Jim Eisenreich

Mike HBC

8 years ago

Reply to Mike HBC

Actually, it apparently DID register a couple of days ago, and I’m just an idiot. Still better than voting for Reggie Smith or Bobby Bonds.

Dr. Doom

8 years ago

Vote update – showing all players with multiple votes through Hub Kid’s vote change above: 7 – Wes Ferrell 5 – Rick Reuschel 4 – Willie Randolph ——- 3 – Ken Boyer, Reggie Smith 2 – Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonds, Stan Coveleski, Ted Lyons, Hal Newhouser, Rafael Palmeiro, Billy Williams Also, as a personal aside, when you make a vote change, could you please do as Hub Kid did and post it to the bottom of the post? (I realize I didn’t do that when I made my own change, and i regret it). With no numbers on the posts… Read more »

Dave Humbert

8 years ago

Vote Change: Palmeiro, Reuschel, Randolph Since Coveleski and Bell do not seem to be getting any real traction, I’ll toss those votes to Reuschel and Randolph to help them out. 2 out of 3 might just recycle for one last try – oh well. If a few voters are creative at the last minute, lots of ties could be set up and the ballot could be flooded with redeemed hopefuls. A number of interesting players enter for 1877-76 as well, which would create a huge free-for-all! Given the small number of votes, I guess redemption interest has dropped off –… Read more »

dr-remulak

8 years ago

Randolph, Munson, Mattingly.

Brendan Bingham

8 years ago

Vote: Rick Reuschel, Reggie Smith, Ken Boyer

bells

8 years ago

Wow, it’s the last redemption round! It seems like the combination of site issues and the fact that we’ve been through this list many a time before has kept the participation in this thread kind of low. I get it, there’s only so much that can be said about these guys, but it’s too bad to see because this used to be my favourite part of the process, where we could debate marginal players. Anyway, I haven’t been coming around either, I stopped by yesterday and I didn’t even know the site had been down, that was how long since… Read more »

Dr. Doom

8 years ago

All those with 3+ votes, on this final day of voting:

8 – Wes Ferrell, Rick Reuschel
6 – Willie Randolph
======TOP THREE
5 – Reggie Smith
4 – Ken Boyer

opal611

8 years ago

For Redemption Round 10, I’m voting for:

-Willie Randolph
-Don Sutton
-Rafael Palmeiro

shard

8 years ago

Last day, just in time!

Ken Boyer – Stan Coveleski – Keith Hernandez

Joseph

8 years ago

I think that there should be an option for voting for less than three players. But that’s just my opinion.

Willie Randolph.

Bobby Bonds.

Billy Williams

Hartvig

8 years ago

Assuming the Dr.’s tally is correct and I’m not missing anything (I count 3 votes after his post) it appears we have a 3-way tie.

Now what?

Do we have a runoff election or do all 3 go back on the ballot?

My vote would be for all 3 to go on the ballot & let the voters sort it out, which I think will happen in fairly short order.

Dr. Doom

8 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

1. We’ve had ties before, and everyone always gets restored.

More importantly, though:

2. “The three players who appear on the most ballots will be restored to eligibility for the next regular, induction round of COG voting.” We’ve always restored three.

So yeah; Ferrell, Randolph, and Reuschel will all be restored to the ballot.

Hartvig

8 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

I’m sure you’re right that when we have had combined redemption rounds we restored 3- I honestly don’t remember- but when we were doing the divided rounds wasn’t it just 2?

Of course there were 2 separate rounds so it actually wound up being 4 total, altho on different elections.

Hub Kid

8 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

I think this round is intended to have 3 winners redeemed to the ballot, so a 3 way tie is curiously symmetrical.