Tuesday tidbits

Just a few notes tonight, alas. Feel free to fill in the gaps!

Indians 5, @Twins 0: Derek Lowe‘s improbable season reached an implausible extreme with a 6-hit shutout, his first since 2005 and first CG since ’08. Lowe began the night with 13 walks and 13 Ks in 43.2 IP, then walked 4 without a strikeout. Lowe got 19 groundball outs, 4 of them DPs, and 2 of the hits were infield singles.

  • The last MLB shutout with no Ks and 4+ walks was in 1989 by Doyle Alexander, who (like Lowe) was 38 at the time. The odd whitewash left Alexander at 3-0, 2.01 (and 191 career wins), but he went 3-18 the rest of the way and then retired.
  • Lowe’s current rate of 2.22 SO/9 would be the lowest by a qualifier since 2003 (and you don’t want to emulate Nate Cornejo). Only two others since 1961 have averaged fewer Ks. The last 4 qualifiers to average less than 3 SO/9 all had ERAs over 4.30 (ERA+ under 93)
  • Since Lowe’s debut in 1997, 101 pitchers have had 137 4-GIDP games, but this was Lowe’s first. He hadn’t had 3 in a game since 2009.
  • On the surface, Lowe’s season to date looks eerily similar to his start in 2002, his best season (21-8, 2.58). Both years he was 6-1 after 8 starts; his ERA was 2.16 then, 2.05 now. The comparison doesn’t hold survive scrutiny; his 2002 K rate was three times as high, and he didn’t allow a HR in his first 12 starts (84 IP).

@Braves 6, Reds 2: A split of this mini-series put Atlanta back atop the NL East.

  • A 4-run 3rd ended Johnny Cueto‘s streak of 5 starts with 6+ IP and 1 ER or less. There have been just 2 longer streaks Reds searchable history — 9 games by Bill Gullickson in 1986, and 6 by Johnny Vander Meer in 1938 (including those games).
  • Zach Cozart went 0-4 with a walk, raising the club’s leadoff OBP by a whisper; they began the night at .197.

 

Tigers 10, @White Sox 8: Jake Peavy had Detroit in a 6-0 hole, but they dug out with an 8-run 6th built on 3-run HRs by Austin Jackson (now sporting the coveted (“3/4/5” slash line) and Ryan Raburn (hitting .149 with no HRs coming in), and a 2-run shot by Miguel Cabrera (ending a 14-game HR drought).

 

  • In 6 games, Miggy has raised his BA from .263 to .308, going 14-28 with 9 RBI.
  • Cabrera has averaged 33 HRs in his 8 full seasons, but he’s a hitter, not a slugger. One way to tell is by what he’s done in his longest homerless streaks. This is the 7th time since joining Detroit in 2008 that he’s gone 13+ games without a HR. Those streaks add up to 97 games, with a .308 BA and .414 OBP, more walks than whiffs (62-52), and 30% of his hits going for doubles.
  • A.J. Pierzynski is the first catcher since 2010 (Joe Mauer) to have 5+ hits with a hit in every trip. A.J. also did it in 2006.

@Cardinals 7, Cubs 6: Matt Holliday‘s 3rd hit set up Yadier Molina to flip the Cards’ first 4-game losing streak, boosting their record to 21-15.

  • St. Louis has a 25-11 Pythagorean record, based on 198 runs scored and 134 runs allowed. They’re 10-3 in blowouts (margin of 5+ runs), but 2-5 in one-run games.
  • Molina had the 4th game-ending hit of his career (all singles) and his 1st since 2007. No big deal in those numbers, yet I think he might be that rare bird, the true clutch hitter.
  • 18 RBI in 12 games for Allen Craig.
  • Here’s something you haven’t seen this year: A home run by Alfonso Soriano leading off the 9th. It tied the game and snapped a 30-game drought, the longest since his rookie year.

 

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Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago

Check out these two called strikes on Brett Lawrie.

He is a marked man now in the umpiring fraternity!

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

He’s also going to be a suspended man, Neil. I’m sure he didn’t intend to hit the ump with his batting helmet but I do believe that’s going to cost Lawrie a few games.

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Yeah, no doubt. He shouldn’t have lost his cool. But, bstar, look at that called third strike when seen from the side. Wasn’t it across the middle of his chest? No belt in sight.

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

Oh, I agree both calls were bad, Neil. But I just saw other angles of Lawrie’s helmet toss on MLBNetwork and I think we can strike “inadvertent” out of the conversation as far as Lawrie’s motives and where the helmet ended up. Viewed from above, it’s pretty clear he threw the helmet right at the ump. I don’t think this will be a light suspension. I think the ump may have made the last call because Lawrie ran out of the batter’s box so quickly, assuming the call would be a ball (or maybe Brett always does that, I don’t… Read more »

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Bstar, you beat me to it, I think I need to work on my english-typing skills 🙂

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

The Ump is the one who deserves a suspension. The first call was a bad one, the second call, in my opinion, was a response for Lawrie leaving the batter´s box. Really bad umpiring.

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
12 years ago
Reply to  Luis Gomez

Agreed, terrible umpiring! Kid had a legit beef, ump should get suspended as well as the kid. Also I see that Canadians have great aim when tossing a full cup of beer.

nightfly
12 years ago
Reply to  Luis Gomez

Honestly, I thought Davidson was worse -provoking Charlie Manuel and then ejecting him. Bullying abuse of authority there. For a moment I thought he’d take off his mask and it would be Angel Hernandez under there.

Yippeeyappee
Yippeeyappee
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I can’t stand that archaic “showing up the ump” thinking; perhaps that’s a common sentiment out here in Brett Lawrie’s neck of the woods. I tell my kids in minor ball that if they think it’s ball 4, show confidence in your own judgment and hustle down to first because the faster you get to first, the more you increase your chances to get faster down to second (and beyond). How can you do that if you stand there and ask for the umpire’s permission? If you misjudged and get call ed back, that’s not shoing up the ump, it’s… Read more »

Yippeeyappee
Yippeeyappee
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John, I totally agree with you that Brett compounded his problems with his demeanour after the call. I tell the kids that if it’s called a strike it’s head down, jog back to the plate, no comments, don’t look at the ump, just resume the AB and work on the next pitch, at least you (and your teammates) have learned something about the day’s strike zone. With 3 balls, unless you’ve got the “take” sign, you either swing at the ball or take the walk. Stick around only if you think you were really fooled by the pitch. Unrepentant as… Read more »

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John – Umps need to be mature enough not to worry about being “showed up”. Period. Their first and only responsibility should be to making the correct call. Umps that aren’t able to do that and care more about their personal appearance should not be in the major leagues.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Gotcha John! Unfortunately it seems to be an all too common problem in both baseball and basketball that the umps/refs are more concerned with their own image than with the integrity of the game. For some reason, this seems to be less of a problem in football (at least it seems that way to me).

Mark in Sydney
Mark in Sydney
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Shame we don’t have an official stat for “Umpire Boners”. Whilst they are meant to be the objective arbiters of the rules, all too often emotion and ego play a role in calls, and hence they have an impact.

Someone recently (on a broadcast?) mentioned that ML Umps have a 95% accuracy rate. Any ideas on how that number might have been derived? And is it one subject to analysis? It would be interesting to know what errors were made and what impact they had on the game.

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

JA, thanks for cleaning up my link. Much appreciated.

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

Interesting sidebar to the whole Lawrie-Miller controversy from last night. Guess who is umpiring at 3rd base tonight in the opener of the Yankees series at the Roger’s Center? And guess who is starting at third base for the Blue Jays, pending his appeal of the four game suspension?

Both protagonists are in the ‘hood. 🙂

Ed
Ed
12 years ago

I wasn’t a fan of the Indian’s acquiring Derek Lowe. Hard to believe he’s turned out to be our best starter. And I don’t want to think about what will happen if he reverts to last year’s form.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Since 1975, there have only been 4 complete game shutouts featuring 0 strikeouts and 10 or more baserunners. Lowe’s game last night, the aforementioned Doyle Alexander game, Brian Holman (also in 1989) and Jerry Reuss (in 1985). Oddly, Jerry Reuss also had one in 1974 and there were no others between his 1974 and his 1985 game. So he had them “back-to-back” but 11 years apart.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

BTW, the record for most baserunners in a 9 inning, 0 strikeout, CG shutout goes to Rich Beck of the 1965 Yankees. Beck gave up 14 baserunners on September 19, 1965. Beck had an odd career. In his major league debut on Sept. 14, 1965, he gave up one run in 7 innings, striking out 8 and walking 0. His next game was the Sept. 19th shutout, in which he struck out 0 and walked 5. He started again on Sept. 28th, giving up 5 runs (4 earned) in 5 innings. He was only 25 years old but never pitched… Read more »

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Ah, now I see that Beck was drafted into the Vietnam war after the ’65 season. He attempted a comeback in ’68 but was sent to the minors and pitched poorly for 2 years.

Steven
Steven
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

I’ve got his 1966 rookie card. The other Yankee on the card had a slightly better career: Roy White.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Love this little slice of life type information about players

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

BTW, Beck sounds like a complete class act. Here’s a great quote from his SABR bio: “When the author spoke to him, in 2010, he was working as a substitute teacher in Spokane, Washington, where he was living. Once, he said, the students in a class he was teaching learned that he had pitched briefly in the major leagues. “One of them asked me, ‘Mr. Beck, weren’t you really upset that you got drafted and lost out on your chance to keep playing ball?’ After we kicked it around the room a while, I told them, ‘I’m sitting here talking… Read more »

Shping
Shping
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Hey John, on the one hand, i thought Collins did a great job of making a wise move in removing Wright, while also (in his postgame comments) avoiding accusing the Brewers of having any such evil intentions. (“Not that they would ever do anything like that, but…”)

On the other hand, one of the boys on MLB network made a decent point: If the Brewers really want to get Wright, they will, eventually. Sure, the heat of the moment may pass, but the players do have long memories.

Doug
Doug
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Those are 1968 numbers if they materialize – over 1/3 of their games a shutout. But, I don’t think it will happen.

Doug
Doug
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Not as dramatic as Rodney (and also not a reliever), but similar story for Roger Nelson and his 1972 season.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nelsoro02.shtml

That season was one of only a couple of dozen with a WHIP under 0.900. The rest were all HOFers or future HOFers (plus one guy who prospered in the Federal League).

The Reds were so impressed, they parted with Hal McRae and Wayne Simpson to get Nelson, only to see him return to his earlier form. The one-season wonder, indeed. Great trade for the Royals.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Michael Young for the Hall of Fame!

No. Wait. What?

But he’s sure right about this however. But I’m guessing that at some point some managers are going to do that anyways and then Beltre and Young and Cruz will just watch their RBI totals go up and up.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I think what Damon means in asking for extra credit for being a clean player, is that his stats suffer in comparison to the players of his generation thay were _not_ clean. OTOH, as you point out, his Career Runs total (probably his one best simple stat argument) benefits from those un-clean players that he is knocking, who knocked him in. It’s not going to matter if doesn’t turn it around and start hitting soon, because with a line of .149/.200/.213 for the Indians now, he’s not going to get many more PA’s soon, and he’s going to fall waaaay… Read more »

Paul E
Paul E
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Just for blowing his own horn, Damon should be off the ballot. One of the greatest turnoffs in meeting anyone or getting to know them is listening to them go on…and on…and on about their accomplishments. WGAF!? Really, John, if you were a Hall of Famer, we would have figured it out by now based on 10,000 plate appearances. Adam ? put together a HoF index based on peak WAR versus total accumulated WAR. Great idea. In rewtrospect, the most questionable of all Hall of Famers are the accumulators/compilers…and, God knows, there’s enough of them already. As for being a… Read more »

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

Paul E – I agree with your comment re: politicking for your own induction. Fortunately, it seems like Damon will fall far short of 3,000 hits. Indians’ fans are already calling for his release. Assuming that happens sometime in the next month or two, who would pick him up given how little interest there was in the off season and how poorly he’s played this year?

Paul E
Paul E
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

You could find him in good company here – basically drove the ball and stole bases while accumulating a 104 OPS+ in 10,000 PA’s:
1,600 Runs scored
400 Stolen Bases
2,700 Hits
850 Extra Base Hits

Cobb, Speaker, Damon, Molitor, Biggio, Henderson , Barry Bonds

You could probably perfrorm this type of exercise for just about anyone with 10,000 PA’s and find them in some sort of good comapny…..still, no Cooperstown

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

The big difference between Damon and all of the players you just listed, is that all of them _vastly_ exceed Damon in at least one (and usually more) of the categories you list. Interesting that two of these players are on Damon’s “Similar Batters through 37”: 1.Paul Molitor (852) * 2.Al Oliver (825) 3.Willie Davis (822) 4.Pete Rose (821) 5.Roberto Clemente (819) * 6.Rusty Staub (813) 7.Robin Yount (813) * 8.Rickey Henderson (812) * 9.Lou Brock (811) * 10.Bobby Abreu (808) Molitor may be the best comp (I’d go with Lou Brock), but Molitor’s clearly better (peak), plus he had… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

One of the most interesting things about Damon is that he’s never had an OPS+ of better than 118. He’s just never been that exceptional a player. He’s durable, he’s got some speed, some smarts, he’s got a little bit of pop, and he will take a walk. He’s the very definition of useful, but not anywhere near “great”.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
12 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

A lot of the criticism I read about Damon here seems, in part, to be based on his personality. Which, if we go there, we could un-enshrine dozens of hall of famers. I’ve always found Damon to be unusually candid about himself and about how he feels, which may be foolish, but it is at least an honest sort of foolish. Though, really, none of us is able to accurately judge his character based upon his soundbites. The guy is a mixed-race army brat with a speech impediment who lost his fortune in a ponzi scheme. None of us can… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
12 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

…And a career Centerfielder / Leadoff man who could hit for power, steal a base, score 100 runs every single year, unite a clubhouse with his personality, and break the freakin’ curse of the Bambino by being an idiot caveman?

Maybe a HOFer.

And yes, the HOF is a place where longevity is worth something. The only guy with more PA than JD not likely to get in is Harold Baines.
(Staub will make it oneday, he will, he will)

RJ
RJ
12 years ago

JA, you jinxed it!

Tuesday, May 15th, 2012, 6:00 pm: “How much will the Giants really miss Brian Wilson? Replacement closer Santiago Casilla has his ERA under 2 for the third straight year and has blown just 1 of 9 save tries…”

Wednesday, May 16th, 2012, ~1:30 am: http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21475947

RJ
RJ
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Haha, thanks JA. I love that I’ve managed to make Spanish football a topic of discussion on a baseball blog 🙂 Back to the baseball, and your question of how much the Giants will miss Wilson: I think more than anything we’ve lost a solid right arm. You can argue all day long about the relative qualities of a closer versus any other relief pitcher, but a healthy Wilson is a valuable addition to any team. Casilla will do fine as a replacement, and the bullpen is still generally great, but we’re still one short. I also think we shouldn’t… Read more »

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

If Jack Lalanne had been eligible and if I drafted him, he would have been out with a hernia within a day…

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago

There’s a terrific article in today’s WSJ about Wrigley (Why Wrigley Field Must Be Destroyed). WSJ.com is subscription only, but here’s the link-some material is not behind the firewall. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304192704577404424241146562.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John A, to me, the mystery of the Cubs is that they haven’t been better in the free agent era, where money does help a lot. Before free agency, if your prospects didn’t pan out, if you were foolish or unlucky in trades or in injuries, you could be bad and stay bad. After free agency, you could fill slots by writing checks. The Cubs have never found the right formula. Maybe Theo/Hoyer will improve things.

brp
brp
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

On that token, I’ve always been astonished that the Cubs never tried to move him to 1B. It seems LaHair is at least a temporary solution but why they didn’t use him there last year instead of wasting $10M on Pena blew my mind. I would think that playing first would mitigate his defensive failings and he can still hit well enough to be at least reasonable. That being said I was really happy to see him go… until the Brewers signed him. And yes, I’m a Cubs & Brewers fan, it was fine until the Brewers moved into the… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

That’s a good point. It’s impossible to simply buy a championship, although less hard to buy a competitive team. But even the heavyweights have developed talent-Red Sox, Phillies, Yankees all used home grown players as part of their core, then built around them and traded off prospects for missing pieces. It’s not just money.

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

JA, do not awaken a sleeping giant…. Cubs’ fans on the ‘Net. 🙂

On second thought, we welcome their traffic on HHS.

OK, Wrigley faithful, that was a blow below the belt.

But keep in mind, bleacher bums, before you trash me, that my my team is as futile as yours.

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

New Cubs question. Joe Ricketts (Cub’s owner) is about to fund a very large, personal and edgy anti-Obama ad blitz. It’s his business, he can do what he wants, and I’m not getting into politics. Any opinions on whether this is good for the team?

Kirk
Kirk
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

To Mike L. – I hadn’t heard this but to bash Obama when you are trying to work with his buddy Rahm to get funding for the Wrigley rehab has to be the dumbest thing the Cubs could do. Or at least in the top 10 these are the Cubs.

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John A, Ricketts owns the team. He can spend his money on anything he likes, whether it’s the roster, a new mansion, or an anti-Obama ad. There are plenty of billionaire sports owners that don’t spend a lot of their teams. Karma? Don’t know-for a century the karma’s been pretty lousy, so, if this works, it could bring out a whole new chapter in American politics-the attack ad as reverse English on a sports team. And, you are right about the White Sox fan angle-Obama is the Prez, and if you don’t like the White Sox, why not go after… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Kirk @65, The future (which is already here) is that the taxpayer will be paying for stadiums, infrastructure, subsidies, etc, because these poor folk who are owners really struggle to make do. It’s not all that surprising that Rickett’s is getting deep into politics-to the winner goes the spoils. It’s a gamble (with Rahm, and perhaps with part of his fan base) but he’s got plenty to gamble with.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I’d say that since the ad involves Pastor Jeremiah Wright- who is also from Chicago- it could very easily blow up into a huge political hot potato and derail any funding for a new ballpark.

The funding for the new Minnesota Vikings stadium in the state that neighbors mine to the east only passed after multiple failures to do so because of an odd political alliance- a Democratic governor and the Republicans in the legislature- who otherwise wouldn’t agree on anything up to and including saying good morning.

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

We have an update on the Ricketts-Cubs-Anti-Obama ad. They won’t run the Wright ad (they will run others, but presumably not quite so edgy)

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

JA, I think 94 wins may have been a good benchmark for a team capable of winning it all in the past-but not anymore. Just look at the last two World Series winners: St. Louis at 90 wins and the Giants at 92. With the expanded playoff system we now have, I don’t think you need a 94-95 win ballclub to have a serious shot. In fact, 5 of the last 10 World Series winners had less than 94 wins, including St. Louis again in 2006(83 wins), the Phillies in 2008(92 wins), the Marlins in 2003(91 wins), plus the last… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
12 years ago

Robinson Cano just got his 300th double. I thought that seemed odd. He hasn’t been around that long. A little more than 7 years. And he is averaging 44 two-baggers per 162 games. How have the players who’ve gotten to 600 doubles done in their first 7 years? Per 162: Bonds 29 Ripken 27 Waner 47 (including 62 in that 7th year) Molitor 32 Aaron 36 Honus 43 Yaz 40 Nap 53 !!! Brett 40 Biggio 35 Tyrus 37 Musial 46 Rose 34 The Grey Eagle 38 Only Waner, Lajoie, and Musial are outpacing Cano. Simply doubling Cano’s PA puts… Read more »

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Voomo, I’ve been looking for who the current player is who might challenge Tris Speaker’s all-time record for doubles or at least reach 700, and Cano is certainly a good candidate. But he’s six months older and 50 doubles behind Miguel Cabrera, although Cano hits them at a higher rate and might eventually pass Miggy. Cabrera is about 110 doubles and three years behind Pujols, so those two are on a similar pace career-wise. I think you have to look at these things as a function mainly of age and rate of doubles second. Only the greatest of the greats… Read more »

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Thoughtful reply, bstar.

To hit a lot of doubles late into your career, IMHO, you have to maintain some pop in your bat in order to pull the ball and hit gap shots.

Does 600 2-baggers guarantee a HOF plaque? (Just kidding.)

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

Thanks, Neil. I don’t know about guaranteeing a plaque but it will be another feather in Todd Helton’s cap. He’s got 561 right now, seems renewed this year, and barring injury should get there sometime next year.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Bstar – In what way is Helton renewed this year? He has an OPS+ of 96. Not really what you want from a 1st baseman. Honestly, I doubt he’d have a regular job in the majors right now if it weren’t for his contract.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

You joke – but the answer (so far) is “Yes!. Every player that has been eligible and has appeared on a HOF ballot, with 600 or more doubles (12 total), has been elected. Individual cases: – Pete Rose (746) is not eligible – Craig Biggio (668) may not be first-ballot in 2013, but he looks like a pretty sure thing to go in (at most) after two/three years – Barry Bonds (601) not on ballot till 2013, let the fun begin… close to 600: -Luis Gonzalez (596) doesn’t seem to have much of a chance in 2014 – Rafeal Palmeiro… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Just for comparison’s sake:

Most doubles from age 30 on:
Pete Rose…..491
T. Speaker….468
C. Biggio…..447
Sam Rice……441
H.Wagner……409

Most doubles from age 33 on:
Pete Rose…..397
T. Speaker….341
Sam Rice……336
C. Biggio…..335
E. Martinez…310

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John:

Do you mind telling me how you generated the second list?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John: Thanks a lot.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I love these lists and in particular the 2 you generated John.

Who would have thought that Alex Rios would be just a few doubles shy of the likes of Hank Greenberg and Joe DiMaggio.

So many players who’s talent flared out so quickly or who’s careers were derailed by an injury or by war or who walked away from the game while still an above average player,

Great stuff. Thanks for bringing this up Voomo

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11 years ago

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