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nightfly
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I would love it if he came back after his sitdown with exactly that written on his eye black.

birtelcom
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Certainly was an idiot and fully deserves the suspension. But let’s not forget, the guy can play baseball. This year has been a seriously down season at bat for him, but the fielding stats suggest he’s partially made up for it with very solid defense. Since 2007, Escobar has the fifth most WAR among MLB shorstops (behind Tulowitzki, Rollins, Reyes and Hanley Ramirez).

John Autin
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Nice work, Andy. I haven’t had a chance to check the reaction to his apology, which struck me as being almost as offensive as the original act: “I have friends who are gay. The person who decorates my house is gay. The person who cuts my hair is gay. I have various friends who are gay. Honestly they haven’t felt as offended about this. There’s just a different understanding in the Latin community of this word.” Even if true, the specific people he cites just happen to represent stereotypes. Maybe the revised patches should read “Dumb Ass” on one and… Read more »
mosc
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I’m glad HHS shares the same level of tolerance for his actions as I do.

Jameson
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I missed this story. What did Escobar’s eyeblack really say?

Voomo Zanzibar
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“You are a weak girl”

Seriously, he should be banned from baseball.
No, he should be excommunicated from the United States of America.

He should be forced into 10,l01 hours of sensitivity training, then spend a year sweeping up hair in the gayest salon in San Francisco.

BryanM
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Congrats, Voomo for the most sensible post on this thread ; I doubt your irony will be appreciated, though, give the tone of most of the other comments

BryanM
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Should have been “given” , sorry

Jonas Gumby
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What the hell was the purpose of using the phrase anyway? Was he trying to intimidate the pitcher by offending him, in the event he could speak spanish? What a complete idiot

Yippeeyappee
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Totally off-topic, but I just have to say that I love the handle “Jonas Gumby”, combining two icons of my youth.

bstar
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This is what I want to know, Jonas.

Was it meant as a joke, and if so, to whom?

A taunt? Who was he taunting?

Just saying “he’s an idiot” doesn’t really answer those questions. What exactly was he trying to do and who was he trying to say it to?

Yippeeyappee
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Why are the rest of the Jays escaping censure? Any of the otherpanish-speakers on the team could have told him to knock it off (including a certain aging infielder brought aboard for his leadership). I’m sure, instead, that other players who saw it just had a good chuckle over the “joke”. And I’m pretty sure that, stupid as it was, it was meant as a joke and not as an insult. A lot of the younger people I’m around use “gay” as a “jab” at others with no intention (though thoughtlessly) to smear that whole group. It’s just another dumb… Read more »
Timmy Pea
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Speaking of politics and baseball, there is a raging fight going on in the comment section of an article on Israel’s baseball team over at MLB.com. The article is a roundup of news about the Israeli team trying to qualify for the WBC. There are a surprising number of anti-Israel comments and some just down right hateful. Some of the venom has to do with many of the Israeli players being Americans. I don’t remember the anger at the Dutch or Italian teams for using the same standard. Or Alex Rodriguez playing for 2 different countries in different WBC’s. I… Read more »
Yippeeyappee
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An open and anonymous internet forum invites the worst of commentators, as their postings will always stand out among the more numerous reasonable discussions. They are not representative of the sentiments of the general population, just as looking at an outdoor lamp at night would not lead us to believe that most insects are moths.

nightfly
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I hope you’re right… but I tend to have my misgivings. Being anonymous often is taken as license to say what one really thinks without fear of reprisal. It’s the equivalent of hiding under a bedsheet in a mob of like-small-minded fools.

It’s not that there are any more or fewer fools on the Internet than in real life – the medium gives them a spot to congregate and be out-n-proud stupid, that’s all.

BryanM
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Sadly, there’s a lot of hate out there, one of the dark sides of sports fandom is that is. Connected to the part of our brains that process. Ingroup as good/superior and out group as bad / inferior partisanship/ rivalry is only a step away from racism or xenophobia. Stick to HHS where never is heard a discouraging word and the racists are not posting all day.

Mike Felber
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Yes, folks project their own problems & hate on others. It is often enough Pathologies on Parade, & it is deeply sad that though all humans are capable of sensitivity, intelligence, individuality-to many just ironically create themselves as merely a stereotype, handicapping all their intellectual potency & human potential by becoming a Hate-bot.

Remind me to copywrite that phrase!

Mike L
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Escobar is forgetting that players aren’t just being paid because they can hit (or throw) a slider. They make the money they do because they are entertainers, and the thing you don’t want to be doing is sticking your thumb in the public eye. It’s no different than a member of the Ricketts family funding an anti-Obama superpac (again). Free speech is rarely free when people can take offense. HHS readers may love baseball for itself, but for Bud, the owners, the TV networks, baseball is a business, and if you anger some of your clients, you hit your bottom… Read more »
nightfly
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I disagree about the equivalence of embarassing your employer with a public slur vs. funding political speech. In the first case, the boss has every right to discipline the offender, in a manner deemed proper, for the reasons you outline. Doing political advocacy in one’s spare time, with one’s own earned income, is much different. The only thing I can think of that’s similar about them is that the First Amendment protects both expressions from government sanction, and for good reason. I don’t want to live in Oceania. Escobar acted like a jerk, but making that illegal means, eventually, a… Read more »
Mike L
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I know we are going off topic here. I’m all for free speech. Escobar works for someone, and when he’s working, he’s answerable to his employer. It’s simply a question of dollars. My teenaged daughter won’t shop at a certain clothing chain because of the chain’s position against gay marriage. She goes to a performing arts high school and thinks (in her teenaged way) that this is a slap at some of her friends. But the chain made that decision at a corporate level, which is their right to do, just as my daughter decided not to buy their clothes.… Read more »
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