Wednesday quadruple-header action

Nobody got swept, so we’re still in business with another quad-play day.

Let us know what grabs you about today’s games.

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RJ
RJ
7 years ago

Well, Zito left early, to precisely no one’s surprise. SF may have won his last 11 starts, but he averaged less than six innings per start in that span, and it took him 92 pitches on average to get there. His 3.92 ERA in that streak was also nothing special.

Looks like Timmy will be trying to pitch a couple of innings at least. His game 1 relief = good. His relief appearance in the 2010 NLCS = not so much, although Brian Wilson bailed him out that time.

RJ
RJ
7 years ago

So those Giants bats woke up then.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

If the Giants complete the comeback tomorrow, the visitors will have won every game. Has that happened before?

RJ
RJ
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Yes, the 2010 ALDS between Tampa Bay and Texas. The Rangers took the first two in Tampa, before the Rays returned the favour in Arlington. The Rangers went back to Tampa to win the decider.

Brent
Brent
7 years ago
Reply to  RJ

But no one has ever done it in the 2-3 format. The Brewers in 1981, like the Giants this year, got it to a Game 5, which is the closest anyone has ever come.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  RJ

If Oakland completes its comeback, they will match the 1982 ALCS (MIL over CAL), 1984 NLCS (SDP over CHC) and 1995 ALDS (SEA over NYY) for an all-homer series in the 2-3 format.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago

Looking for a relatively recent comp to Lincecum’s long-relief effort today — 4.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 6 K, and a vultured win — I settled on Bob Welch in the 1978 NLCS opener (4.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K). Both entered with the tying run at the plate or on base, and both stranded 2 runners.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI197810040.shtml

Voomo Zanzibar
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Interesting that the official scorer used his authority to award the win to the deserving reliever.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

So, today’s game in Washngton was the first post-season game in the city in 79 years. Baltimore went 70 years between champioships – 1896 to 1966. Any other cities starved for post-season play?

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug, Louisville’s been waiting 122 years, but I think next in line Should be Providence, which last hosted a postseason game in 1884. I don’t see either as serious contenders next year.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

Kansas City had UA and FL teams, the earliest in 1884. From then to the city’s first post-season game in 1976 was 92 years.

Kansas City also has the longest current post-season drought, at 27 years.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

JA @ 5,

That comp is just about perfect. Not much to “settle” for – more like grab that one in a heartbeat.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

But I wanted a must-win game! 🙂

bstar
bstar
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

When I read the first part of your sentence, I thought about Mat Latos in Game 1 of the series but you found a perfect match. Mat wasn’t quite as good as Timmy or Welch (4 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 SO, 1 BB) but I was surprised to see that LeCure got the win for his 1.2 IP of work. FWIW, Latos’ effort had a higher WPA than LeCure’s.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago

I suppose this has been mentioned somewhere:

HRs in Giants’ park:
– 2012, Entire Team: 31
– 2001, Barry Bonds: 37

Ed
Ed
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Nice John! So in 2010, when they won the WS, the Giants had 75 HR at home, and 87 on the road. This year it was 31 at home and 72 on the road. That’s a 58.7% reduction in home runs at home but only a 17.2% reduction in road home runs. Anyone know what the cause is?

RJ
RJ
7 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Other than practically no legitimate power threats this year? The 2010 Giants had power guys like Aubrey Huff, Juan Uribe and Pat Burrell, with contributions from career-year Andres Torres and ROY Buster Posey. The 2012 Giants are just stacked with limited power guys like Gregor Blanco, Joaquin Arias, Ryan Theriot, Brandon Crawford and to a lesser extent, Angel Pagan. The only two batters other than Posey with double-digit homeruns, Panda (12) and Melky (11), both missed significant portions of the season through injury and shenanigans respectively. Sandoval’s injury also seemed to curtail his power for a long time post-DL (3… Read more »

RJ
RJ
7 years ago
Reply to  RJ

Essentially they’re completely different teams. Sandoval and Posey are the only regular position-players remaining from 2010 (injury and pinch-hit supremo Aubrey Huff excepted).

RJ
RJ
7 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Oh, sorry, I only just realised you wanted to know the reasons behind the discrepancy in the road/home percentage reductions, hah. I’m guessing then that the lack of power in the current SF line-up shows up more prominently in a pitchers park like AT&T, whereas it’s still possible for relatively light-hitting guys to hit homers in more friendly, away parks.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  RJ

Unrelated to SF HRs, but a friend out there just told me that both Lincecum and Zito don’t like pitching to Posey. Can anyone elaborate?

I just checked the splits — Lincecum split his innings evenly between Posey and Sanchez, but Zito threw 25 games to Hector, just 8 to Buster.

RJ
RJ
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

It’s possible that neither like pitching to Posey, but as far as I’m aware the Zito/Sanchez battery was set up more because Posey needed regular rest post-injury and having a consistent battery made sense. Also with the Giants winning lots of Zito starts, I guess they then didn’t want to upset a winning formula. I don’t know if there’s a problem with Lincecum. Posey himself has stated his belief in being able to catch Timmy. All the moves have come from Bochy publicly, but I guess that doesn’t rule out somebody saying something behind closed doors.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago

HR by a Rule-5 draftee!

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

There you go, the first Orioles’ cuadrangular!

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I think clips of Granderson’s plate appearances can now be classified as instruments of torture.

Meanwhile, the rest of the lineup is continuing to not drive runners in.

bstar
bstar
7 years ago

Wow, what has gotten into Raul Ibanez?

RichardKC
RichardKC
7 years ago

Well, that home run makes Girardi look good. However, it was planned, as the O’s are just getting in position to win how they win best (in extra innings)

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago

Ibanez hit the 3rd postseason pinch-hit HR in the #3 spot in the order. The others:

– 1981, NLDS Game 4, George Vukovich walk-off HR pinch-hitting for pitcher Tug McGraw.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI198110100.shtml

– 2001, ALCS Game 3, Jay Buhner tack-on HR pinch-hitting for Bret Boone in a 14-3 blowout win in the Bronx.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200110200.shtml

(There’s another game that turns up on a search, but Brian Daubach struck out as a PH and then stayed in and homered.)

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Here’s the only other Yankees postseason hit pinch-hitting for the #3 man: Allie Clark, PH/defensive replacement for Yogi in RF:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA194710060.shtml

Voomo Zanzibar
7 years ago

The most clutch Raul of all time.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

What’s his John Sterling name?

Voomo Zanzibar
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Dunno, I live in the woods with no TV.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Sterling is radio, but I get your point.

Apparently, his tag line for an Ibanez HR is “Rauuul be seeing you.” I’m not getting it. Help?

Voomo Zanzibar
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Sinatra.
Well, Sinatra was one of many who covered it.
But end-of-Yankee-game is Sinatra territory.
Few things more fun in the 80’s than doing the Rockettes kick line in the RF Bleachers after a win to “New York New York”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjNoyOrNXE&feature=related

Brooklyn Mick
Brooklyn Mick
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John, it’s a reference to the Billie Holiday song I’ll Be Seeing You, which has also been done by various others, including Sinatra, Crosby, and more recently by Michael Buble. Kind of the same way as he sings Grandyman to the tune of Candyman.

Mike L
Mike L
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

And, to prove Sterling’s timely devotion (or homerism) it includes “I’ll be looking at the moon, but I’ll be seeing you…)

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

So, Sterling has substituted “Raul” for “I’ll” — is that supposed to rhyme? Did Billie Holiday pronounce it “ah-oool be seeing you”???

I know it’s silly to try and follow the workings of the Sterling mind, but I’m trying to distract myself from anti-Valverde thoughts.

Mike L
Mike L
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John A, as a respite from he who should not be named, I will tell you that Sinatra’s late career uptempo version did include a growled I’lllllll at the start.
Billy Holliday had cleaner diction, but she suffered more.

Brian
Brian
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Raul TOO COOL Ibanez, from the one Yankees broadcast I heard (against the Reds).

Jason Z
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Am I the only one who remembers John Sterling from
his days doing the New Jersey Nets in the late 70’s?

bstar
bstar
7 years ago
Reply to  Jason Z

I remember Sterling doing Atlanta Hawks games in the 80s and was the final leg of the Skip Caray/Pete Van Wieren/Ernie Johnson Sr. quartet that would flip-flop from radio to TV after 4 1/2 innings throughout much of the 80s doing Braves TV.

He was far more innocuous in those days.

Jason Z
7 years ago
Reply to  bstar

You never forget that voice. He must have
gone to Atlanta after New Jersey.

Piscataway to be precise.

The Nets in the late 70’s were horrible
with Oakland A’s type attendance.

I never would have imagined him becoming
the voice of the Yankees.

bstar
bstar
7 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Was he obnoxious as a Nets announcer? I remember him being a little corny but not over the top in his Atlanta days.

Jonas Gumby
Jonas Gumby
7 years ago

Raul effing Ibanez

Jacob
Jacob
7 years ago
Reply to  Jonas Gumby

Mystique and Aura beat the Orioles at their own game.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
7 years ago
Reply to  Jonas Gumby

Raul Ibanez is the Dusty Rhodes of 2012, if Rhodes had pinch-hit for Willie Mays in the 1954 WS.

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago

And that appears to be the first-ever postseason case of 2 HRs by a player who didn’t start.

—-ed Yankees!

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

And the 4th multi-HR game by a DH.

This one’s the most memorable, tho’ for other reasons:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200310160.shtml

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

How does Ibanez rank for post-season WPA? Is he in Shamsky territory?

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug, if I’ve added correctly, Ibanez got a 0.827 WPA for his 2 HRs. It’s real tough to get to Shamsky’s 1.503 with just 2 PAs — you’d need one of them to be, say, a tying slam with 2 in the 9th, and then a game-winner.

http://www.fangraphs.com/liveplays.aspx?date=2012-10-10&team=Yankees&dh=0&season=2012

Doug
Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Thanks, John, for doing the calculation. I saw Ibanez doing his on-field post-game interview, and they asked him about pinch-hitting for A-Rod, of course. He said all the usual stuff about being a team game, etc. and mentioned that A-Rod was the first guy at the top of the steps to greet him when he got back to the dugout after the 9th-inning shot. I looked at the video of that and, sure enough, A-Rod was there to greet Ibanez but A-Rod looked liked he’d lost his best friend (or lost something important) in contrast to the excitement and elation… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

If 0.827 is correct for Ibanez’s WPA, it’s just about tied for #5 in postseason history.

#1 is 0.969, David Freese, last year, WS game 6.
#2 is 0.870, Kirk Gibson.
#3 is 0.854, Steve Garvey, 1984 NLCS game 4.
#4 is 0.832, Lance Berkman, same game as Freese.
#5 is 0.826, Charlie Keller, 1941 WS game 4 (highest without a HR).

Jonas Gumby
Jonas Gumby
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

How ridiculous, and mathematically awesome, is it to have two of the highest in the same game?

Tmckelv
Tmckelv
7 years ago
Reply to  Jonas Gumby

I think it seems more ridiculous than it is. If you have a real see-saw game very late, then there is potential for that kind of WPA swing.

Jonas Gumby
Jonas Gumby
7 years ago
Reply to  Tmckelv

I suppose you’re right. More ridiculous that they both capitalized on the situation. The possibility of that type of probability adding probably occurs several times late in games but is never doubly done.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
7 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Keller’s game was the famous Mickey Owen passed ball one.

Hartvig
Hartvig
7 years ago

I wonder if anyone would notice if next inning, instead of sending the real Prince back out onto the field, they just sent out a life sized cardboard cutout with flypaper stuck all over it?

When the ball left Reddick’s bat I got as far as “Ohhh, shh…” before they showed the outfielders making the play on it.

C’mon Miggy, put a little icing on top of that MVP. A three run homer next inning would be just the ticket.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago

Anyone know why there’s no railings in front of the dugouts in Oakland? I thought that was a directive for every team to have those. Something like 10 years ago, wasn’t it?

Jamee
Jamee
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

It’s a football stadium.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  Jamee

The Rogers Centre is also a football stadium and they are able to put up and take down the railings.

I guess the only other teams of recent times that shared their stadium with a football team were the Marlins (before this season), Twins (before Target) and Nats (in RFK). What a change from twenty years ago.

David
David
7 years ago

One V is great the other V. Sucks
Detroit Tigers

Phil
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

What a mix. The greatest reliever ever, arguably the second greatest in Eckersley, and three of the flakiest (Valverde, Williams, Duren).

Mike L
Mike L
7 years ago
Reply to  Phil

One of the great things about baseball. When you look at hitting stats, you are essentially seeing a field of failure or modest accomplishment pockmarked by success. But for pitchers, particularly great ones, the failures leap from the page.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Todd Worrell’s implosion (it really wasn’t) was famously umpire-assisted – the Don Denkinger game.

Brent
Brent
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug

The only out that Worrell got was the one the Royals gave him, so he didn’t pitch that well either.

Doug
Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  Brent

Good point, Brent. Should have looked at Worrell’s line.

For some reason, I was remembering that Iorg’s hit came with two out – ergo, the Cards should have been in the clubhouse spraying champagne. Memory is a funny thing, even when it seems very clear in your mind.

Brent
Brent
7 years ago
Reply to  Brent

Of course, the Cards D was pretty crappy too that inning. After the bad call, it went foul pop up (dropped by Clark), followed by single by Balboni, failed bunt by Sundberg, force at 3rd, passed ball by Porter with McRae at the plate, runners move up anyway, IBB to McRae, then 2 run single by Iorg. As a fan of both Missouri teams, I can tell you by heart the sequence. Strangest move of the inning, after the IBB to McRae loads the bases, Dick Howser (moment of silence) pinch runs for McRae at 1st base rather than Sundberg… Read more »

Jacob
Jacob
7 years ago

Suffice to say tonight was terrible if you’re like me: a Nats-Reds-Orioles-Tigers fan. Two ripple effects of unavailable pitchers, two overrated closers exposed. I’ll be in a bad mood for the next 20 hours.

Jeff
Jeff
7 years ago

As a Giants fan I’m upset at the 1:30 game time of today’s game 5 matchup. I understand why the Oakland game is late but damn the Yankees for(as always) getting the primetime game.

Jeff
Jeff
7 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

By the way, I called the lowsy start by Zito…”he earned it”, lol. Timmy looked great. I always want by most talented pitcher out there regardless of his prior games pitched. Zito, likeable guy, bad pitcher 65% of the time.

Brent
Brent
7 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

With 3 games in the Eastern time zone, one of them was going to be the early game. Admittedly, it does stink that they picked the game against the West Coast team to be that game. What time will it be in Frisco, 10:30 a.m.? If they had just went the same way as yesterday, then the St. Louis fans at least would be at lunch when the game started. Not sure why they switched up the game times for the two games.

Voomo Zanzibar
7 years ago
Reply to  Brent

Yes, it is now 9:51 AM in California, and I’m not in any way logistically or emotionally prepared to listen to a go-home game on the radio.

Jason Z
7 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

I understand the frustration.

It is all about ratings.

Since 2005 the most watched
World Series is the Yankees
and Phillies in 2009.

That’s the reason the Yankees
will always be on in the best
prime time spot. Ratings and
money.

Jeff
Jeff
7 years ago
Reply to  Jason Z

Yeah, I know…It still sucks.

bstar
bstar
7 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

Feel your pain, Jeff.

Counting today’s games, eight of the ten NL postseason games will have been played during the day.

What the #@%!? Since when did the National League become the Junior Circuit?

Cardinals-Nationals have yet to be granted a non-afternoon game.

Jeff
Jeff
7 years ago

Welcome to the NLCS Giants! Buster Posey = MVP