Quiz – all-time greats … and one other guy

Here is a list of all-time greats, plus one player who presumably doesn’t belong with this group. Except that he does belong.

These are the only players since 1901 to accomplish what feat.

Hint: the feat is in multiple parts.

I have managed to stump our esteemed panel here (a pretty rare feat). The answer is that the above players are the only ones with a season since 1901 of 120 runs, .600 slugging, and HRs of less than one-third of extra-base hits.

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Ed
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All of them have more walks than strikeouts. Is that part of it? Or is that simply an artifact of the era when most of them played?

Mike L
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I don’t know, but I did find it fascinating that, in 1930, he tied (with Jimmy Foxx) for the AL lead in strikeouts with 66. That’s the lowest since the end of the Dead Ball Era, and the third lowest in league history. Now, you have players K’ing 66 times by June

Voomo Zanzibar
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???

A season with
120 runs
200 hits
40 doubles
115 rbi
ops+ over 1.000

and…?

Voomo Zanzibar
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Morgan holds the record for:

Most at bats, extra inning game, 11, 7/10/32 (tied)

Voomo Zanzibar
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It was the Eddie Rommel, Johnny Burnett, Jimmie Foxx game:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE193207100.shtml

Voomo Zanzibar
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Batted at least .349 while only having the third best BA on his own team?

kds
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Obviously Ed Morgan is the odd one out. I doubt very much that it could be a career accomplishment since his career was so much shorter. (Ted Williams, Babe Ruth and many others have had BB > K.) So it is most likely either a seasonal feat or game level, or a combination. Morgan, in 1930, had 6 games with 4+ hits. (And a PI search shows that that isn’t it. It probably isn’t something that would show up in a game level PI search, since those only go back to 1918, after Lajoie had retired.)
Richard Chester
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They all appear on a list with BA>.349, 2B>43, 3B>11 and BB<100 along with a bunch of other players. The trick now is to eliminate that bunch.

Richard Chester
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I did not see post 12 when I submitted post 13.

Brent
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SH > 10 and OPS > 1.000????

bstar
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Doug, can all three accomplishments be found in Standard Batting?

Brent
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I think 350 Total bases or more has to be one criteria. Several of these guys (surprisingly in some cases) only did it once.

Nick Pain
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I thought I may have had it searching OPS > 1.000, hits > 200, and SH > 19. The players to do that are Morgan, Heilmann, Cobb, Hornsby, Speaker, Terry, Gehrig. No Lajoie, Musial, or Sisler though. Musial’s high in sacrifice hits was 10.

Brent
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Blech, no matter what 3 criteria I put in the play index, Kiki Cuyler’s 1930 season follows me around like the plague.

bstar
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Hmmm, perhaps Kiki’s season gives us a clue that OPS > 1.000 is one of the criteria. Cuyler only OPS’ed a .970. Is that one of the criteria, Doug?

no statistician but
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How about more doubles than triples and home runs in a season with OPS of over 1.000? That would be two out of three.

Richard Chester
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I ran R>121, HR<27, BB103. The top 11 guys were the ten on the list plus Al Simmons. I’ll keep manipulating.

oneblankspace
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More extra-base hits than strikeouts?

no statistician but
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Doug:

Give in. you’ve got everyone flummoxed, you subtle devil.

Ed
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I don’t think “give in” is the proper term. Doug should declare victory!

Voomo Zanzibar
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120 runs
45 doubles
10 triples

(That’s not the answer (Ruth, Dimaggio, T Williams and others did it as well), but those are among the remaining criteria that Doug has not eliminated)

Nick Pain
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Can’t be runs and doubles, because in #9 Doug says only one of those in a parameter. This has proven to be a stumper up to this point.

John Autin
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Actually, Doug didn’t say that “only” one of those was a parameter. But I don’t think he would deliberately mislead us with a statement that is true by logic but false by common understanding.

John Autin
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I’ve no idea of the answer, but I’m focusing on why Ruth and Williams don’t make the list. For a minute I thought that was a definite sign that doubles was a key factor, since neither Ruth nor Williams ever had more than 45 in a season (44 was the high for Ted). However, Terry made the list, and his high was 43 doubles. Assuming that Morgan’s 1930 season has to be the one involved in the feat, and comparing that to Ruth’s 1921, the Babe wins or ties in every Standard Batting category except AB and SH. Also interesting… Read more »
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