Musial, out of the box and going for two

Like most baseball folk, I’ve been thinking of how to pay tribute to the late Stan Musial. Since I like to look at baseball history through a box-score lens, and since Musial played 3,049 games (counting World Series) — in a NL career that stretched from Gabby Hartnett (1922-41) to Pete Rose (1963-86), spanning Pearl Harbor and the Civil Rights March on Washington (“I have a dream…”) — I decided to honor Stan the Man with what I do best.

What follows is an unscientific sampling of Musial box scores and related comments — often tangential, sometimes frivolous — but let’s open with a couple of broad stat-facts:

 

  1. During his career (1941-63), Musial led all players by margins of: 1,056 Hits (roughly Al Rosen‘s career total) … 1,154 Times On Base (safely) … 1,927 Total Bases … 426 extra-base hits … 250 Doubles … 57 Triples … 8 HRs (although he never led the league) … 370 RBI … 416 Runs … 16.2 Wins Above Replacement.
  2. From 1941-63 alone, 46 players had 4 or more extra-base hits in a game, with 3 such games by Joe DiMaggio and 2 each by Pat Seerey (164 career XBH) and Jim Russell (293) among others, and one apiece by more truly unknowns than you can shake a Louisville Slugger at. (Sam VicoJack LohrkePhil Weintraub?) Even Charlie Lau did it. Yet the Man who had far more hits and extra-base hits than anyone in this span — more games with one, two or three extra-base hits — never had 4 extra-base hits in a game. Maybe that would have been too flashy.

 

And here we go. I apologize for the length; but, y’know … 3,049 games.

 

September 17, 1941: Not two years since converting from pitcher, the 20-year-old Musial debuts in a pennant race with two knocks against Jim “Abba Dabba” Tobin, with a double and 2 RBI, pacing St. Louis to a 3-2 win and a doubleheader sweep of Boston that kept them a game behind Brooklyn with 12 to play. Musial hit 3rd, which seems odd for a contending team. But the ’41 Cards never did settle on a #3 hitter, giving four guys at least 29 starts there. And while the slot was productive overall (2nd in Runs, 3rd in OPS and RBI), leading up to Musial’s debut, the #3 spot had produced 1 RBI in 23 games. Musial would bat 3rd, 4th or 5th in all 11 starts, going 20 for 47 with a 1.023 OPS; he would nearly match that lofty figure over the next 15 years.

  • Estel Crabtree (of Crabtree, OH) — who returned that year at 37 after a 7-year absence from the majors, and hit .341 in 77 games — homered in the twinbill opener, then won the nightcap with a walk-off shot, the only time he ever connected in consecutive games.
  • In his first full year at the Cardinals’ helm was Billy Southworth. As a player, Southworth led the Cards to their first championship in 1926, batting .345 with a Series-best 6 Runs and 10 hits. In 1940 he took the reins of a 15-29 squad and led them to a 69-40 finish. The Cards fell short in ’41, but won the next 3 pennants and 2 World Series under Southworth, who amassed a .657 winning percentage from 1940-45. Moving to Boston in ’46 (for a salary the Cards wouldn’t match), Southworth took over a Braves franchise that hadn’t contended in 30 years, and brought them home 4th, then 3rd, and finally 1st in 1948. He was belatedly elected to the Hall of Fame in 2008, almost 40 years after his death; while he has the fewest games and wins of any HOF manager, his .597 winning percentage ranks 3rd in that group, and only 9 managers have won more World Series.
  • In the visitors’ dugout was Casey Stengel, in his seventh managerial year. His first nine teams all finished in the second division; his 10th squad began a record streak of five straight championships. Taking nothing away from The Perfessor, the fact remains: It’s amazing what a pinstriped suit can do for a feller.
  • Jim Tobin, a good pitcher stuck on bad Braves teams most of his career, led the majors in IP and CG for 1941-45 combined, with a 108 ERA+ but a 69-85 record in that span. In a happy ending, he joined Detroit for the ’45 stretch drive, and capped his career as a World Champion.

 

August 24, 1943: One of two 1-0 games wherein Musial plates the game’s only run, which he does here with a triple in the 10th. Reigning MVP Mort Cooper goes the distance for his 18th win. Younger brother Walker Cooper does not fare as well, going 0-for-5 with a GDP in the cleanup spot, but he’ll run 2nd to Musial for the ’43 MVP. From 1939-46, 15 out of 16 MVPs went to pennant winners; the exception was Hal Newhouser‘s first award in 1944 (29-9), when the Browns edged the Tigers on the final day.) From 1925-44, nine different Cardinals won the MVP.

  • Losing pitcher Al Javery (who?) led the NL with 303 innings that year and won 17, one-fourth of Boston’s total. He also struck out the side in the All-Star game (George CaseKen KeltnerVern Stephens) — which may help to explain why he was selected for the next All-Star game despite a 3-12 record at the break (he finished 10-19).
  • More family connections: Cards #2 hitter Harry Walker is the son of one Dixie Walker, the brother of another, and the nephew of Ernie Walker. Speaking of Walkers, Walker Cooper returned to St. Louis to finish his career in 1956-57, age 41-42; his daughter married Don Blasingame, the Cards’ regular 2B from 1956-59. Marty Marion‘s older brother, Red, played a few games in the majors. Marty put in 11 years as an every-day player, plus 5 more full years as a manager, all before he turned 39; he died at 93 not two years ago.
  • Braves’ 2B Eddie Joost goes 0-for-3 and is justifiably lifted for pinch-hitting pitcher Jim Tobin, who can actually hit, and singles. Joost bats .185 that year, the lowest qualifying BA from 1919-90; the glasses (and the walks & HRs) are still years away. Joost died a month after Marion in 2011, age 94.
  • Boston cleanup man Butch Nieman averages 111 games and a 116 OPS from 1943-45, but he’s gone from the majors once the veterans return. Nieman plays 1947-51 for class C Topeka (near his hometown), winning 5 straight Western Association HR crowns, including margins of 29-14, 34-20, and 26-19. In 1950, Nieman out-homers young Mickey Mantle, 28-26, though Mick leads in BA, SLG and TB. Nieman also averaged 141 walks from 1947-50 (per B-R Bullpen).
  • Braves’ RF Chuck Workman hit 10 HRs in ’43 … and led the team, whose 39 taters tied for last in the NL. But then, NL HRs were scarce as hens’ teeth in 1943; no NL year since 1921 saw a lower HR total or average per game.
  • Fun with names: Boston’s #7-8 hitters were Whitey Wietelmann and Heinie Heltzel, who was replaced by Clyde Kluttz. (Name the source: “Despite all evidence to the contrary, there has never been, nor could there ever be, a major league ballplayer named Clyde Kluttz.”)

 

September 28, 1943: His second 2-triple game of the year gives Musial 20 three-baggers, tying the club’s live-ball record which has not been reached since. The only later Redbird with two 2-triple games in a year, or with 19+ triples in a year, is Garry Templeton (in 1980 and 1979, respectively). Templeton is also the only Cardinal with a 200-hit season younger than Musial.

  • Rookie 2B Lou Klein plays 159 games for the ’43 Cards (including WS), batting .287 with a 111 OPS+, and ranks 3rd in the league with 5.8 WAR (2.9 dWAR). But he’s replaced by Emil Verban the next year, and Klein plays just 151 games the rest of his career. Klein was born in New Orleans in 1918, the same year my dad was born in nearby Golden Meadow, and he died in Metairie, LA in 1976, the last year I lived in that N.O. suburb.

 

August 6, 1944: After a 13-game hitting streak (.510, 18 Runs, 14 walks, 2 strikeouts), Musial goes 0-for-7 in 14 innings, his worst oh-fer.

  • St. Louis wins anyway; they’ve been running away from the pack since May, going 49-11 in July & August to reach a pinnacle of 91-30. Of all the .700 teams — 1902 Pirates1906 Cubs, 1907 Cubs1909 Pirates1927 Yankees, 1931 A’s, 1939 Yankees1954 Indians, 1998 Yankees and 2001 Mariners — only the ’98 Yanks matched that 91-30 start.  The Pirates are playing .600 ball, better than any AL team, and they win the season series from the Cards by 12-10 (no one else better than 8-14) — yet they’re dead before Labor Day. The Cards coast home to 105 wins, their 3rd straight year of 105+. No other team has won at least 103 games for three straight years.
  • In spite of this, the only Hall of Famers from this Cardinals dynasty are Musial, Enos Slaughter (1942 and ’46) and Red Schoendienst (1946).
  • Out of 2,413 games with at least 4 PAs, Musial reaches safely in 89.0%. (Bonds 89.8%, Ruth 91.8%, Williams 92.9%.)

 

August 22, 1944: In a 2-1 defeat of Boston that caps a twinbill sweep, Musial drives in both runs separately, while Max Lanier (the defending ERA and ERA+ champ) throws his only 1-hitter, allowing just Butch Nieman‘s infield hit in the 1st. No Cardinal threw a no-hitter during Musial’s career. Lon Warneke tossed one the month before Musial’s 1941 debut, and the next came from Ray Washburn in 1968. There were 14 Cardinal 1-hitters between Musial’s first and last game, including this near-perfecto.

  • Hal Lanier, son of Max, plays 10 years in the majors, compiling a 50 OPS+ — the worst of any live-ball hitter with 3,000 PAs. On the bright side, in his managerial debut, Hal leads the 1986 Astros to the 2nd division title in club history, and is named Manager of the Year. Two years later, he’s gone, never to return as a big-league skipper.

 

October 7, 1944: After the underdog Browns took 2 of the first 3 games in the Trolley Series, Musial helps turn the tide with his best World Series effort: 3-for-4 with a walk, a double and a 2-run HR in the 1st that stands up all day and breaks a 9-WS-game ribbie drought.

  • The Cards win game 5 by 2-0 behind Mort Cooper‘s 12 strikeouts (only Gibson ’68 had more Ks in a WS shutout) and HRs from Ray Sanders and Danny Litwhiler. It’s the 2nd WS game ever where the winning team scored only on solo HRs.
  • The game 6 clincher turns on clutch relief work by Ted Wilks: When the Browns get the tying runs into scoring position with 1 out in the 6, the rookie Wilks — 17-4 on the year, but torched in his game 3 start — comes in and thwarts the rally, retiring the last 11 batters in a row, with 4 strikeouts. It remains the longest perfect relief stint in WS history. Wilks is going so well that when the Cards have a chance to stretch the lead in the 8th (2 RISP with 2 out), the sick-swinging Wilks is allowed to bat; he whiffs and they don’t score, but the champagne still flows.
  • In 23 career WS games, this is Musial’s only HR and only 3-hit game.

 

May 19, 1948: In Ebbets Field, Musial’s home away from home, he goes 5-5-5-2 with a walk, his only 5-run game, as the Cards rally to win, 14-7, on 18 hits and no HRs. The next day’s line is 6-3-4-2, HR, 2 doubles, completing an 11-for-15 series that lifts his BA over .400, and he’s hitting .403 at the All-Star break. He “fades” to .376, the highest NL average from 1936-98. His .702 slugging is the NL high for 1931-93, and his 429 Total Bases are the most in either league in the last 80 years.

  • In 11 Ebbets Field games that year, Musial hits .522/1.582 and scores 17 Runs. In 163 career games in Brooklyn, he batted .359/1.108 (his best marks of any field with 40+ games), with 141 Runs and 126 RBI.

 

July 24, 1949: In an Ebbets Field battle for 1st place, Musial’s double off Carl Erskine in the 7th puts the Cards up 13-1 and completes his only cycle.

  • Starter Don Newcombe, the eventual Rookie of the Year, is knocked out before retiring a batter for the only time in his career.
  • St. Louis held the lead almost continuously into the final week, and with 5 games left they led by 2 in the loss column. But they lost 4 of 5 against second-division Pittsburgh and Chicago, while Brooklyn won 3 of 4, including a 10-inning road win on the final day to capture the flag. In the Cards’ 4-game skid, Musial went 6-for-18 with 3 doubles, but the rest of the club hit .236.
  • The Cards finish 2nd for the 3rd straight year. They copped the pennant each of Musial’s first four full years, but were never close again until his final year.

 

July 27, 1950: St. Louis scores 10 in the last 2 innings to blow out Brooklyn, 13-3. Five different Dodgers allow at least a hit and a run, but none serves up a hit to Musial, and his 30-game hitting streak ends 3 games shy of Rogers Hornsby‘s club record (1922). Albert Pujols matched Musial’s 30 in 2003, the only other Cardinal ever to reach that mark.

  • During Musial’s career, the only other streaks of 30+ are Joe DiMaggio‘s record 56 in 1941 (ended before Musial’s debut), Tommy Holmes‘s 37 in 1945 (then the modern NL record), and Dom DiMaggio‘s 34 in 1949. The next to reach 30 in a season was Willie Davis with 31 in 1969.
  • The Cards knock a season-high 5 HRs, with 2 by Chuck Diering (3 for the year, 14 career).

 

September 3, 1950: In a Forbes Field slugfest, Musial logs a (known) career-best .908 WPA with a line of 4-4-4-3 and 2 walks. His third hit is a 2-run HR, off former teammate Murry Dickson, with 2 gone in the 8th, flipping the Birds into the lead. The Bucs go back in front on Ralph Kiner‘s second HR of the game — his 210th HR in 728 career games, by far the fastest such start to date (since topped by Ryan Howard). Rookie CF Hopalong Howerton ties it with a HR in the 9th, and Musial grabs the lead with an RBI single in the 10th, then scores on Enos Slaughter‘s triple. But in the home 10th, Harry “The Cat” Brecheen sheds the lead on consecutive HRs by Pete Castiglione and Bob Dillinger — respectively, the lone pinch-HR, and one of 10 career taters. With 2 down and the bags empty, Brecheen intentionally walks Kiner — the only searchable bases-empty IBB of Kiner’s career, and the only one in the majors from 1946-52. Gus Bell, who already has 2 triples and a single, lifts a double that brings Kiner all the way around with the winning run.

  • Pittsburgh had five walk-off RBI that year, including both times they saw Brecheen. On July 8, he gave up the only game-ending slam in the league that year to Jack Phillips (9 career HRs), his only career slam and only pinch-HR. Brecheen ends his career 10-13 against the Pirates; against his other six NL foes, he’s 118-66 (.641).
  • What happened to Bill Howerton’s career? After a cup o’ joe at 27, the left-swinging OF played 110 games for the 1950 Cards, batting .281 with a .375 OBP and some power. But in ’51 he couldn’t crack the lineup, and after just 75 PAs in the first 53 games, he was packaged in trade to the Pirates (the same deal that exiled local boy Joe Garagiola). There he started regularly, with a 124 OPS+ in 80 games. His combined stats for 1950-51 were 685 PAs, 122 OPS+, 22 HRs, 100 RBI, 36 doubles, 11 triples, 83 walks and a .365 OBP. Yet in ’52, the woeful Pirates — a team that totaled 22 HRs from LHBs, en route to 112 losses and a .231 team BA, with 19-year-old Bobby Del Greco in CF (he had never played above class C and hit .217 with 1 HR and a 60 OPS+ for the Bucs, then went back to the minors for three years), and 20-year-old Tony Bartirome at 1B (.220, no HRs, 48 OPS+, never again seen in the majors) — would not put Howerton into their lineup. After 31 PAs in the first 20 games (.320 BA, .452 OBP), Howerton was waived to the Giants, where he played even less (18 PAs in 6 weeks), and was finally sent to Minneapolis in June. Despite leading the American Association with an 1.127 OPS, he was released at the end of 1952 and never got back to the majors.

 

May 12, 1951: After sitting out two games while his team’s losing streak reached five, Musial comes off the bench for the first time in over a year — pinch-hitting for a pinch-hitter in the 8th — and slugs a 3-run HR off Reds relief ace Frank Smith, creating a 6-4 lead. It’s his only pinch-HR until 1962.

  • Musial starts the next 133 games of 1951, sitting out the season finale (2nd game of a doubleheader). From Opening Day 1952, he starts 862 straight games through July 21, 1957 (not starting the 2nd game of that doubleheader), and plays in a NL-record 895 consecutive games.
  • Sept. 24, 1963 — Counting down the last four games of his own career, Musial plays against the Cubs and Billy Williams, who homers off Bob Gibson — one game after starting the streak that would reach 1,117 consecutive games, breaking Musial’s NL record.

 

July 24, 1953: With his team behind 1-0 in the 6th, 2 outs and the whiff-prone slugger Steve Bilko at bat, Musial steals home for the 5th and final time in his career. But the Phillies win it, 2-1, on Granny Hamner‘s walk-off HR, completing the only 2-HR game of his career. Both shots came off rookie Harvey Haddix, who finished 20-9, 3.06, but lost the ROY vote to Jim Gilliam.

 

September 7, 1953: Musial’s other 1-0 winning RBI comes on a double off Cincinnati’s Herm Wehmeier, in the only quality start Wehmeier managed that year in 10 tries. Out of 610 modern pitchers with at least 200 starts, only Jimmy Haynes had a worse ERA+ than Wehmeier’s 84. But he had his moments, especially with the 1956 Cards:

  • In a 12-IP, 2-1 win over Warren Spahn in the next-to-last game of 1956, Wehmeier allowed a HR in the 1st, then blanked the Braves for 11 frames, knocking them out of 1st place; Musial doubled and scored the winning run in the 12th. (Meanwhile, Brooklyn swept Pittsburgh on the final weekend to pass the Braves for their 6th pennant in 10 years with Jackie Robinson.)
  • Wehmeier also outlasted the 1st-place Braves in August for a 10-inning, 3-2 win, driving in Bobby Del Greco (who still couldn’t hit) with the go-ahead run against Lew Burdette. The Cards played three games that year in which both starters went 10+ IP, and Wehmeier started and won all three.
  • Musial faced Spahn more than any other pitcher, and treated him like every other Tom, Dick and Harry: .330 BA, 1.016 OPS in 327 PAs.

 

May 2, 1954: Game 1 is the first of Stan’s two career 3-HR games. The second HR, a 2-run shot in the 5th off southpaw Johnny Antonelli, reverses a 1-run deficit; the third is a 3-run clout that busts a 6-all tie in the 8th. In the nightcap, Musial homers twice against Hoyt Wilhelm. Five HRs in a doubleheader sets a new record that has been equaled just once.

  • Also enjoying a career day in the twinbill is rookie Tom Alston, the first black player in Cardinals history. (Only seven years after integration!) He goes 5 for 6 with a HR, a double, 5 RBI and 3 walks. Alston’s first month is a roaring success; 27 RBI in 28 games, hitting .308/.930. But he slumps in the next six weeks and is sent back to AAA, virtually ending his big-league career.
  • Willie Mays goes 1-for-7 in the doubleheader. Through 17 games (and following his 2-year Army stint), the Say-Hey Kid is hitting .229. Then he breaks out: 26 games, 13 HRs, .419 BA. Going into the season finale, Mays trails teammate Don Mueller by less than a quarter of a point in the batting race. Each gets a hit his first time up and makes out the second. Mays pulls ahead with a triple and double, while Mueller makes two outs. But the game goes into extra innings, and Mueller doubles to start the 10th, with Mays two spots away. If Mueller gets one more hit while Mays makes two more outs, Mueller would win the crown by .3441 to .3339. But Mays is intentionally walked, Mueller makes an out in the 11th, and Mays wins his only batting title.
  • In game 2, Royce Lint relieves during New York’s 8-run 3rd and winds up with his first big-league loss, the day after notching his first win. At 33 and in his 13th pro season, Lint has finally reached the majors after a 22-10 year in the PCL. He won’t last the season, but he does make one very nice memory: On July 4 in Wrigley, he shuts out the Cubs and rips a 2-run double off Jim Brosnan for his only MLB hit. Lint is one of 58 pitchers who had a shutout and no more than 2 career wins.
  • Lint also played a small role in this freak game — the first time that a team used 8 or more pitchers in a 9-inning win. From the 6th through 8th innings, the lead changed hands in six consecutive half-innings. (Lint’s contribution: allowing a double and a walk, then booting a sac bunt.) There were five such games in 2012, including two straight by the Giants in Denver.

 

May 5, 1955: In his first career start, Tom Lasorda gets a thrill by whiffing Musial with men on 3rd and 2nd and no outs. Lasorda doesn’t allow a hit, but his 1st inning begins walk, wild pitch, walk, wild pitch, whiff, wild pitch, and he doesn’t come back for the 2nd. Lasorda also faced Musial in his MLB debut (sac fly), and walked him in their other meeting.

  • Lasorda also struck out Mickey Mantle in back-to-back games; unfortunately, Tommy also gave up 9 runs in 4 innings in those contests, and his MLB career ended a month later in a blaze of inglory.

 

April 17, 1956: In the traditional Opening Day game in Cincinnati, Musial redeems an 0-for-4 day with a tiebreaking 9th-inning HR off Joe Nuxhall after Red Schoendienst‘s 2-out bingle. It’s Musial’s third and last Opening Day home run. Vinegar Bend Mizell gets the win in his return from a 2-year Army hitch, with last-out help from 41-year-old Ellis Kinder in his Cardinals debut. New skipper Fred Hutchinson, hired despite a .397 winning percentage in 2-1/2 years managing Detroit, gets off on the right foot. Five years later, he led the Reds to their first pennant in two decades; but three years after that, he died of cancer at age 45.

  • Nuxhall is one of the few pitchers Musial saw a lot but didn’t master: .254 BA, .686 OPS, 2 HRs in 140 known PAs. With data known for 1946-63, there were 16 pitchers Musial faced in 100+ PAs. Only Nuxhall held him below an .842 OPS or .284 BA, and his combined line against these stars was .333/.983, each a hair above his career marks.
  • Frank Robinson debuts in this game, batting 7th, and knocks a ground-rule double in his first time up; he later draws an intentional walk, and will retire ranked #3 in that category (since the stat became official). The rookie Robinson becomes one of the youngest to start an All-Star game, batting 2nd in front of Musial. Robby strikes out in both his trips, but Musial swats the last of his 6 All-Star game HRs, answering the back-to-back jacks hit by Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle off Warren Spahn.

 

August 21, 1957: The only time the batting race came down to Mays and Musial, and Stan pulls a Secretariat. Willie trails by 6 points heading into a 3-game set in the Polo Grounds, and he holds his own with 4 for 11. But Stan goes 7 for 9 and homers in each game, building a 14-point bulge that will not be threatened — especially since he hits .500 in an injury-shortened September. It’s the 7th and last batting crown for Musial, and his 15th straight year at .310 or better.

  • Two days after the Mays showdown, Musial misses a game for the first time since the end of 1951, ending his NL record streak at 895. He’ll miss 15 straight games, returning to play part-time in September (despite a fractured shoulder) as the Cards tried to chase down Milwaukee. By my count, it’s the only time he ever missed 10 or more games in a row.
  • Hank Sauer‘s HR makes him the first 40-year-old with 20+ HRs; nine more have gone “20@40” since. When Musial retired, only he, Sauer, Ruth, Ted Williams and Cy Williams had hit 200+ HRs from age 31 onward; 42 more players have since joined those ranks, including 23 in the last 20 years.

 

April 11, 1962: Beginning his 20th full year, the 41-year-old Musial drives in the first run ever against the newborn Mets with career hit number 3,402. During the year, he will pass Honus WagnerCap Anson and Tris Speaker to trail only Ty Cobb on the all-time hits list. The Mets don’t get him out all day, as Musial adds 2 more hits (including double #698).

  • A week later, facing the Mets in the Polo Grounds, Musial knocks in 3 with a pair of singles and ties Babe Ruth for #2 in Total Bases. On July 8, he treats Mets fans to his second (and last) 3-HR game. He hit .468 against the ’62 Mets (22 for 47) with 4 HRs, all in the Polo Grounds. His career line in that park: .343 BA, 49 HRs in 171 games, his best HR rate of any park.
  • The Cards start off 7-0, yet trail the 9-0 Pirates. After reaching 10-0, the Bucs take their first loss from the 0-10 Mets, and within a month they’re at .500; Pittsburgh musters 93 wins but are never in the race after July.

 

June 18, 1962: In Dodger Stadium, Musial singles twice off Sandy Koufax and passes Cobb for #1 in  Total Bases. Bob Gibson duels Koufax into a scoreless 9th, but Tommy Davis wins it with a solo HR. Koufax, the reigning strikeout king, gives just 5 singles and fans 9, but Musial is 2 for 3 with a groundout; the Cards’ 9th ended with Ken Boyer caught stealing as Musial stood at bat.

  • Against Koufax, Musial went 13 for 38 with 2 HRs, 6 walks and 5 strikeouts, although most of the damage was done in the ’50s.

 

September 27, 1962: In Candlestick, with the Giants desperately chasing LA — 2 games back with 4 to play — and Billy O’Dell chasing his 20th win, Musial goes 5-for-5 in a 7-4 win, his last 5-hit game (a day after hitting his second 3-run pinch-HR, off southpaw Billy Pierce). The Cards then do the Giants a huge favor, sweeping the Dodgers in LA on the final weekend. In the 3-2 opener, Musial drives in the tying run in the 5th after a Curt Flood sacrifice, then sets up the winner in the 9th, pulling a hit into RF off lefty relief ace Ron Perranoski that sends Flood to 3rd with no outs. Then Ernie Broglio stones LA on 2 hits in a 2-0 win, and Curt Simmons completes the sweep, 1-0, on Gene Oliver‘s 8th-inning HR off Johnny Podres.

  • In 1962, Stan hit .330 with .508 SLG and .924 OPS, still the highest modern marks for a player age 41 or older.

 

May 2, 1963: “It’s 715!” … doubles, that is, as Musial clears the bases and becomes the 6th player to reach 1,900 RBI. The next day in Cincinnati, Stan the Man rests while Charlie Hustle strokes the first triple and HR of his career (and first 2 RBI) off Ernie Broglio, while Joe Nuxhall shuts out the Cards.

  • After 14 games, Rose has 2 triples and that home run, but the first of his 746 career doubles is still a week away. Rose totaled 38 doubles in his first 2 years, then averaged 38 per year for his next 16 seasons. Rose and Musial played against each other 14 times, but they never doubled in the same game; Musial sat out three other Cards-Reds games that year, and Rose doubled in each one.
  • Musial was there at Nuxhall’s debut 19 years before, when he became the youngest ever to play in the majors (then didn’t resurface for eight years). The Cards won that game, 18-0, with 19 singles, 2 doubles and 14 walks (5 by Nuxhall, 6 by Buck Fausett — even if you’ve never heard of him, you know his nickname was Leaky); Musial went 4-4-3-3 with 3 walks in his first 4-Run game. In ’63, Nuxhall — now 34, having been released by three teams in the past two years — notched career highs of 4.6 WAR, 169 SO and 4.33 SO/BB.
  • For 1960-63, Broglio ranked 5th in ERA+ and WAR, and 15th in Wins and Strikeouts. Landing Broglio in ’64 (plus others) for Lou Brock, who at that point owned a .306 OBP in 1,300 PAs, could have been a coup for Chicago, but his arm went bad and he won just 7 games after the trade, while Brock immediately transformed into a star.

 

May 8, 1963: A 4th-inning HR off LA’s Bob Miller gives Musial 1,357 extra-base hits, passing Ruth for the all-time record.

  • The record stands until 1973, broken by Hank Aaron‘s 704th HR. Barry Bonds passed Musial in 2006 (the same year he passed Ruth in HRs).
  • In 1972, Aaron passed Musial in Total Bases. Stan remains 2nd all-time in Total Bases and 3rd in Extra-Base Hits.

 

July 28, 1963: In the midst of his career year, Chicago’s Dick Ellsworth fans 10 Cardinals in a 5-1 win. In his 3,003rd game (counting WS), Musial finally strikes out 3 times in a game, for the only time in his career. Musial has just 64 games of 2+ strikeouts; Adam Dunn topped that last year alone, and both he and Pedro Alvarez had 20 games of 3+ whiffs in 2012.

  • Ellsworth finishes 22-10 with a 2.11 ERA, pitching 21 of 37 games in Wrigley; the Cubs are 60-70 without him. He leads both leagues with a 167 ERA+, and tops Koufax in total WAR, 9.6-9.5 (including batting), with a better HR rate in spite of their parks — but Sandy goes 25-5 and wins both Cy Young and MVP.

 

September 16, 1963: After trailing LA by 7 games on August 29, the Cards have won 19 of 20, pulling within a game with 10 games left, starting with three head-to-head in St. Louis. The Dodgers take a 1-0 lead to the 7th, but Musial ties it with a HR off southpaw Johnny Podres; Musial hits Podres .352/1.001 in 122 PAs. (It’s #475, his last HR.) But in the 9th, reliever Bobby Shantz, riding a 14-inning scoreless string, gives up 2 runs, on a Willie Davis single and Julian Javier‘s error, and the Cards go quickly in their half, including a Musial groundout. Game 2 is a Koufax shutout, win #24 en route to his first CYA; he’s 4-0, 0.96 against the Cards.

  • The finale is a crusher in 13 innings. Gibson cruises to the 8th up 5-1, but LA tallies thrice off Gibson and Shantz, and Dick Nen ties it in the 9th with a HR in his MLB debut (2nd AB). After singling in the 7th, Musial comes out for pinch-runner Gary Kolb, who is caught stealing to end that inning. Dick Groat opens the home 10th with a triple, but Kolb (now in Musial’s spot) strikes out, and after two intentional walks, the threat withers on a pair of groundouts. Lew Burdette, acquired by STL at the deadline, squirms out of trouble in the 10th, 11th and 12th, but LA breaks through in the 13th, helped by Javier’s 2-base throwing error. The Cards go in order against Ron Perranoski, who lasts 6 scoreless innings for his 16th relief win. St. Louis now trails by 4 with 7 games left, and they get no closer.
  • St. Louis will win 3 pennants and 2 World Series in their first five years post-Musial. From 1941-68, the Dodgers won 11 pennants, the Cards 7, the Giants and Braves 3 each, and one apiece for the Cubs, Braves, Phillies, and Reds.

 

 

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Nash Bruce
Nash Bruce
11 years ago

“…….flipping the Birds into the lead”? LMAO

bstar
11 years ago

Ok JA so this is where you’ve been the last couple of days. Because even if it were true, I will not let you tell me that you whipped this thing together in an hour after dinner tonight. The scope of this article is breathtaking. As always, great job, an effort befitting The Man himself. Some notes on your notes: -Musial missed playing in the same game with Gabby Hartnett by one day. Hartnett, a career Cub, was finishing out his career with the New York Giants in his age 40 season. NYG was in St. Louis the day before… Read more »

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

My search for career triples since 1940 cut off Enos Slaughter’s first two years. If you include the 15 triples “Country” hit in ’38 and ’39, that vaults Slaughter into third place, not ninth.

Hartvig
Hartvig
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

bstar- I didn’t read your entire comment before I wrote mine. If you want my explanation Google 1962 Topps baseball card #317 (I’ve looked it up since I typed my comment).

Doug
Doug
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Actually, John, you can go back further to Johnny Cooney whose first season was 1921. He played in Musial’s debut game. See my comment 12 below.

Doug
Doug
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Regarding Big Poison, he and Cooney were in lock-step to close out their careers.
– After being released by the Dodgers, Waner hooked up with Cooney in Boston during the 1941 season.
– Both were released by the Braves after the 1942 season, and picked up by the Dodgers (on the same day) for 1943
– Both were released by the Dodgers during the 1944 season and both were picked up by the Yankees who subsequently released both to close out their careers

Doug
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Boob had his challenges with the glove. Nine errors in ten fielding games in his debut season at SS. Another 9 in 38 fielding games the next season. And, an error in each of his two games two years after that, his final ML appearances.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

In 1915 Rube Bressler had the lowest ERA+, 56, for a qualifying pitcher.

kds
kds
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Rabbit Maranville, (Evers was the only other HOFer on the 1914 Miracle team.) came back to the Braves in 1929 and stayed til the end of his career in 1935.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

(good speed) + (line-drive power) + (ALWAYS hustling out of the box and running all-out every time a ball is hit to the outfield) = lots of triples I realize this is an over-simplification – but both Musial and Slaughter had the reputation as guys who hustled all the time, so this isn’t surprising. Stolen bases were at or near an all-time low in the late 30s-early 50s period, when these two were active and still relatively fast; almost all the lowest NL SB/games averages were in these years. Also, SB attempt totals are more of a tactical/managerial decision than… Read more »

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

Good point about the SB rates being down in Musial’s career. I had forgotten to consider that. So Musial was faster than his SB totals suggest, and then of course the longevity factor has a lot to do with his massive total.

I guess Slaughter being on the same team as Musial and being third in “modern” career triples is more of an anomaly than anything. That, and there were more triples hit in the ’40s and ’50s than in today’s game.

topper009
topper009
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Speaking of home/road splits, Ive always like that Musial had exactly 1815 hits on the road and 1815 hits at home

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
11 years ago
Reply to  topper009

He also had the exact same home/road split in SB (38/38), and was fairly close in runs, triples, and HR.

Hartvig
Hartvig
11 years ago

As great a site as High Heat Stats is, this really needs wider distribution. I’ve read entire books on baseball that didn’t convey as clear and complete a picture of their subject and certainly didn’t tell their story in as entertaining and engaging a fashion. Well done doesn’t begin to cover it. – My favorite non-Musial aside was Bill Howerton’s story with the All In The Family bit a close second. – I also loved that you included so many of the career categories that Musial led either the National League or all of baseball in at the time of… Read more »

Doug
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

Watching video of Musial’s swing, what strikes me is its quickness and simplicity. Just “see the ball, hit the ball” – a very, very quick and violent stroke, seemingly in one motion, as if attacking the ball with all his might. Pretty much the opposite of the fluidity of, say, a Ted Williams swing.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

It was Musial’s batting stance—do not try this at home (although we all did in the Fifties)—wound up like a coiled spring, bat held way back and high,body bent, peering out, feet and knees together, then the long powerful stride and the bat lashing like it was suddenly unleashed. It drove the coaches of the Little Leagues crazy saying no, you’re not Stan the Man, young fella.

BryanM
BryanM
11 years ago

agreed , NSB — still remember practicing in front of the hall mirror.. 36 ounce bat -80 pound kid – couldn’t hold it high enough or back enough. “you’re not Stan the Man” good line- reminds me of the golf teacher — lesson 1 -hold your elbow closer to your body ” ……”
but Jack Nicklaus holds his out there”
OK Lesson 2 is ” hold your elbow closer to your body ” lesson 1 is “you’re not Jack Nicklaus”

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

On Musial and the Mets: Stan had an 1.198 career OPS vs. the Mets — still the highest career OPS against them by anyone with at least 100 PAs facing the Mets. Admittedly, that’s helped by the fact that he only played them in 1962 and 1963, when they were famously bad, but those were also his age 41 and 42 seasons.

BryanM
BryanM
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

He must have been relieved to get back to NY ; the Dodgers moving from Ebbets Field really crushed his career totals

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

Great post John but I do have a comment. For the 9/7/53 game you state that the Dodgers that year won their 6th pennant with Jackie Robinson. That year was their 4th pennant with Jackie.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John, that was my fault, the blog is so long that I did a lot of skimming.

Doug
Doug
11 years ago

Spectacular stuff, John. A couple more notes about Ted Wilks, mentioned concerning the 1944 World Series. That was Wilks’ rookie season (as a 28 year-old) and, in addition to his relief work, he also started 21 games, going 15-3 in his starts and 2-1 in relief. He led the league in W-L% and WHIP, and also became the very first pitcher to yield no unearned runs in 200+ IP (previous high IP to do this was only 113.1). Wilks also had 16 complete games to go with 10 games finished, a once common feat that was starting to become less… Read more »

Doug
Editor
11 years ago

Another Musial factoid. He and Barry Bonds are tied for the most seasons (22) played without ever having an OPS+ below 100. Eddie Collins and Ty Cobb both had 23 seasons of 100+ OPS+ but each debuted as a teenager with a sub-100 OPS+ season (for Collins, a very brief debut of only 18 PA; he also had a sub-100 OPS+ as a 42 year-old in 9 hitless PAs as a pinch-hitter).

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

Some other factoids:

On 7-21-57 Musial pinch-ran for Ken Boyer. That was his only PR appearance.

Pat Seerey is one of two players to accumulate 15 or more TB in a game more than once. Willie Mays is the other.
Jim Tobin is the only pitcher to hit 3 HR in a game.
Phil Weintraub had 11 RBI in a game, tied for third best.
Estel Crabtree was also born in Crabtree, OH, just one of 10 players whose surname matches his town of birth.
Clyde was not the only Kluttz in baseball, there was also Mickey Klutts.

Doug
Editor
11 years ago

Musial’s only pitching appearance was in the final game of the 1952 season. Musial and starter Harvey Haddix swapped positions after one batter so that Musial could face Frank Bamholtz of the Cubs. Baumholtz trailed Musial in the batting race and could theoretically have caught Stan had Frank gone 5-5 while Musial went 0-5 (or something like that). So, some kind of gamesmanship involved in having Musial on the mound. At any event, Baumholtz hit a heat-seeking missile that just about took off the 3rd baseman’s head. But, the St. Louis official scorer indefensibly ruled it an error. Haddix returned… Read more »

Hartvig
Hartvig
11 years ago

I my haste to heap praise on John’s writing I completely forgot about this:

Name the source: “Despite all evidence to the contrary, there has never been, nor could there ever be, a major league ballplayer named Clyde Kluttz.”

I’m going with Bill James. That sounds exactly like his wicked sense of humor that he let’s out on occasion.

Doug
Doug
11 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

I loved this line from Wikipedia’s bio on Kluttz.

Kluttz was a longtime scout after his playing days ended, working with the Kansas City Athletics and New York Yankees.

Kluttz eneded his playing career in 1952, so my first thought was to wonder whether he was employed by both clubs at the same time. If not, he might as well have been.

Alan
Alan
11 years ago

Tremendous research and writing John. They don’t make ’em like the Man anymore!

topper009
topper009
11 years ago

If anyone can confirm that Musial got a hit in his first career PA, then he is the only player I have found* who had a .300 career average or better for his ENTIRE career. He went 2-4 in his debut and his career BA never dipped below .300 after that.

*Just doing manual searches among guys with a decent career length.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  topper009

My check shows that he never went below .316 which occurred on 5-4-43, not counting his first AB (I hope I got that right). In his debut game he was 2 for 4 but it is not possible to determine if he got a hit in his first AB. He definitely got a hit in his second AB driving in two runs.

John Mize was Musial’s teammate for the first two weeks of his (Musial’s) career.

Doug
Doug
11 years ago
Reply to  topper009

Looking at the box, I can confirm that Musial had a hit in his second career PA and could have had the other hit his first time up. Even if he did that, his career BA could still have dipped below .300 if he started his second game 0 for 3 en route to his 1 for 4 day.

So, other than a possible 0 for 1, or 2 for 7 start, it was clear sailing above .300 all the way after that.

Doug
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  topper009

Ichiro is another one who is very close. He has been a career .300 hitter since the first AB of his 3rd career game (he singled to stand at 3 for his first 9). Pablo Sandoval has been a career .300 hitter since the 3rd AB of his 2nd career game (single to stand 2 for 6). Pujols has been above .300 since the first AB of his 5th game. Bill Madlock was never below .300 after the 4th AB of his 8th game. Frank Thomas never fell below .300 for his career after the 3rd AB of his 39th… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

It look to me like Jimmie Foxx batted over .300 starting from AB #1.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

Earle Combs also.

bstar
11 years ago

Dale Alexander, who thwarted Jimmie Foxx’s Triple Crown aspirations by winning the AL batting title in 1932, also never fell below .300 in his career.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

I did some judicious PI searching and some manual searching to come up with these results. The only confirmed players with a constant lifetime .300+ BA are Foxx and Combs as I stated above. I found 5 others who could possibly have done it but cannot be confirmed because it is not possible to determine if they got a hit in their first AB. They are Joe DiMaggio, Riggs Stephenson, Bob Fothergill, Dale Mitchell and Barney McCosky.

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Wade Boggs never fell below .300 after the first at-bat in his 20th career game.

topper009
topper009
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Yeah this is pretty common, I have looked through a lot of these types of players.

Looks like Richard below found Jimmie Foxx who you can be certain belongs in the lifetime .300 club

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  topper009

topper009: By googling I found an article which stated that Musial popped out in his first ML PA.

Doug
Doug
11 years ago

Musial was there at Nuxhall’s debut 19 years before, when he became the youngest ever to play in the majors (then didn’t resurface for eight years).

Probably a good thing for Nuxhall that he had that eight year hiatus before really starting his career at a more suitable age. Of the eight players to debut before their 17th birthdays, Nuxhall’s career is easily the longest – nobody else lasted past age 27, and half of the eight last played as teenagers.

RJ
RJ
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Leonidas Pyyrhus Funkhouser… wow. Somebody’s parents were fans of ancient Greece. Quite the pair of historical figures too; one famous for losing the battle but winning the war, the other for winning the battle but losing the war.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  RJ

Leonidas would never have made it as a pitcher, since every win would have been a Pyrrhic victory.

You can look it up.

RJ
RJ
11 years ago

I can see it now: “Pyrrhus gets win, blows up arm, out for season”.

Jason Z
11 years ago

I really enjoyed this post John. Thank you. When I originally read it this morning, I immediately thought of Mickey Klutts upon your mentioning Clyde Kluttz. Alas, Richard beat me to it. What I can say is how surprised I was to see that Klutts had only 24 plate appearances over three seasons with the Yankees. 34 years after his last appearance with the Yankees, and yet there he is right on the tip of my tongue. It boggles the mind and reminds me of a youth well spent. Thank you. The 1956 All-Star game… I always figured that once… Read more »

topper009
topper009
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason Z

The year before The Man walked off the all-star game at Milwaukee County Stadium in the 12th inning, one of only 3 AS game walk-off dingers.

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
11 years ago

Estel Crabtree’s career got me thinking about ultra-late bloomers – guys who were practically nonexistent until they reached an age where most other players are completely finished. 140 players have accumulated at least 2.5 WAR after age 37. Of them, all but 4 accumulated at least 5 WAR before 37: Dickey Pearce 9.5 career WAR/8.2 in age 37 season and beyond Bob Boyd 5.6/4.8 Earle Brucker 4.3/3.1 Estel Crabtree 3.7/2.5 All of these players have either extenuating circumstances or bizarre narratives. Brucker, a catcher who did not make it to the bigs until two-and-a-half weeks before turning 36, did not… Read more »

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
11 years ago
Reply to  GrandyMan

To be more clear about how much WAR each player accumulated before age 37:

Dickey Pearce 9.5 career WAR/1.3 before age 37
Bob Boyd 5.6/0.8
Earle Brucker 4.3/1.2
Estel Crabtree 3.7/2.5

Doug
Doug
11 years ago
Reply to  GrandyMan

You’re missing Connie Marrero from your list. He was a 39 year-old rookie and compiled 9.4 WAR over 4 seasons, before giving back 0.4 WAR in his final year at age 43. Marrero is one of only 7 pitchers since 1901 with 50+ complete games at age 39 or later. Marrero is still living in Havana, aiming to reach 102 years in April. According to his SABR bio, he is the only living player from pre-revolutionary Cuba. Satchel Paige also should be on the list, 9.7 WAR all after age 42 (he debuted in his age 41 season, but after… Read more »

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Good catches, Doug. I should have realized there was an error in my research when Satchel Paige didn’t show up on my list. However, I was writing that post pretty late at night; that, combined with the fact that Walter Johnson (13.1 career bWAR!) showed up on the search, made me totally forget that I was only running a batter search. Good thing this isn’t my day job… At any rate, thanks for the information about Marrero. I had never heard of him before this; it must be an incredible feeling for somebody to defy Father Time as long as… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago

Before the subject of Musial is superseded by something less important—to me—here’s a question I’d like to ask, in view of Musial’s passing and the recent post by Stacey on Mantle: Both men were complete players, both led their leagues in multiple categories multiple times; both were clubhouse leaders; both were highly inspirational to players in youth leagues, Musial for his unrelentingness, friendly character, and batting style, Mantle for his overcoming chronic osteomyelitis and many injuries to his fragile but speedy legs and for his unassuming, serious manner on the field, whatever he did off it; both won three MVPs… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago

And for the purpose of discussion, lets not split hairs, please, on WAR and OPS+. Both did themselves proud in these categories.

bstar
11 years ago

If one insists on not using WAR or OPS+, there needs to be no mention whatsoever of ANY stat in this discussion.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Mu: 282.4 Ma: 277.5 These are the current combined values assigned by B-Ref, less than 1% difference. And while it’s true that adding them together has no logic to it, what would be the standard approach? Oh, Mantle’s OPS+ is 13 points higher, but look, Musial gets it all back because his WAR—this week, at least—is 17.9 to the good? What is there to discuss concerning these two stats re these two players beyond splitting hairs or stating personal preferences masked as statistical analysis? There’s more at stake in life and baseball than what can be measured and quantified. The… Read more »

bstar
11 years ago

I wasn’t implying you should combine the stats at all. Looking at career WAR and OPS+ (separately) is hardly splitting hairs. If you can come up with another number besides WAR that combines value from all aspects of hitting, value on the basepaths, our best guess as to value playing defense, value from hitting into/avoiding double plays, value from playing a tough defensive position, and value from being above the level of a replacement player, I’m all ears. Unless you can offer an alternative, WAR is the best we’ve got as far as “one number” goes. OPS+ is pretty good… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago

bstar:

1) I was the one who combined the two stats, just out of a perverse desire to do so. Call it the nWO‡. Never thought you or anyone else would be that insane.

2) My point has been consistently that—while they differed a great deal as players—both reached about the same level (See other comments here, especially JA’s @ #73) overall, and both were, beyond statistics, leaders, inspirational, etc. Given this general equality, which would you take if you could only have one?

It’s not a trick question but an enigma or conundrum.

Hartvig
Hartvig
11 years ago

I love Musial. If I were assembling a real team, on the field, I would probably take Musial over Williams no matter what the stats say. He’s not just a better fielder & far better on the basepaths but I think Williams ego would have created even more problems on a team loaded with stars than it did on those “25 cabs” Sox teams.

But even with all that I don’t think I would have taken Musial over Mantle.

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
11 years ago

Mantle was a switch hitter.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  oneblankspace

Musial was very good against lefties, as has been noted elsewhere, and Mantle was better batting R than L over his career. When he was in a slump batting L, the subject always came up—why didn’t he turn around and swing from his natural side. Reason? As I recall, he promised his father he would never do it, although B-Ref has him for one AB batting R vs a RH pitcher, but no AB is recorded(?).

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

He did bat right-handed once against Hoyt Wilhelm.

MikeD
MikeD
11 years ago

I was going to guess it was probably against a knuckleballer, who some hitters believe can be more difficult to hit from the opposite side. Similar, a few times over the years, switch hitters have batted right-handed against Mariano Rivera, believing his cutter was much tougher to hit while batting from the opposite side.

MikeD
MikeD
11 years ago

Hmmm, which inner-circle HOFer would I’d like to have? I’ll be happy with either one. Musial went on to had the greater career because he played at a high level into his 40s. Musial was also a fine fielder, although much in LF and 1B. (Forgotten by many is Musial played a lot in RF and even CF; he was quite versatile defensively.) Mantle played center, but indications are his fielding was not as great as his reputation, both from accounts of the time and what we can see in fielding metrics today (granted, should be viewed quite skeptically). Yet… Read more »

MikeD
MikeD
11 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

BTW Meant more fair LF. RF has always been short.

e pluribus unum
e pluribus unum
11 years ago

nsb, I loved Musial. I rooted against Mantle with great fervor. But I have to say that in his prime, I never saw a player whom I felt – to my dismay – dominated the field during a game the way Mantle did (not even Mays, though perhaps that’s just because I saw less of him up close). Musial, I think, drained every ounce from his great talents to create one of the finest careers ever; Mantle, for reasons both within and beyond his control, left a lot on the table, and had one of the finest careers ever. I… Read more »

Steven
Steven
11 years ago

If you were running the Kansas City A’s in the 1950s, there’s better than a 99% probability that the New York Yankees would have taken Mantle off your hands.

Jason Z
11 years ago

EPU- You really couldn’t go wrong with Musial or Mantle. Lately, we have heard alot about Musial. It is sad that someone has to die before we all take the time to appreciate their exploits. But I just want to add this point. Mickey Mantle was a hero within the Yankee clubhouse. He was well respected for two reasons. He led by example as he was an outstanding player. Number two, he played injured for almost his entire career. Frankly, his teammates were amazed at the level of pain he played through. In Jane Leavy’ biography she has an orthopedic… Read more »

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago

Steven @70: Touche! JasonZ @74: I think you’re absolutely right about Mantle’s potential and the fact that his teammates admired him. That isn’t, though, the aspect of leadership I meant. I haven’t read Leavy’s book (or any biography), but my recollection is that Mantle was at the heart of the Yankee clubhouse group that was led by Martin’s frathouse example (MikeD referred to it above), and that, perhaps for reasons of personal history (I’m thinking primarily of the impact of his father’s early death, but also of his dramatic reactions to stress as a young man), he was probably inclined… Read more »

Jason Z
11 years ago

EPM: I would add three other possible explanations for Mantle’s drinking.. 1. He may have drank to help deal with the constant pain. 2. Mickey assumed he would die young. Both his father and uncle died young. As he regrettably remarked late in life, if I knew I would live this long, I would have taken better care of myself. I also agree with John’s comment @83. The nightlife in New York must have also had an effect. 3. Finally, back in a time when many more day games were played, there was alot of free time in the evenings.… Read more »

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago

John @83 You’re right that I’m projecting from what did happen to what might; the question nsb asked seemed to call for it. And yes, Mantle might have been less wild in a smaller town; my focus was on the impact his off-field example might have had on a team without alternative stars and leaders. Put Musial wherever, you don’t have to think about that stuff. Jason Z @93 I wouldn’t disagree with any of what you write, except, perhaps, to add that my impression at the time was that Mantle matured a lot as a person after 1961, as… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Since my query seems to have run out of steam—sooner than I’d hoped—I’ll give my own preference now, but with some preliminary blather. Mantle was my favorite player growing up, Musial my second favorite. I was following the majors via the newspaper from 1954 on, the only way you could at the time in a small Midwestern city away from the metropolises. Musial’s peak was passing by the time I was aware of him, but I witnessed from afar Mantle’s maturity, saw him play on TV a lot of Saturdays on the Game of the Week, and twice at Old… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Unfortunately no, it was the following day when the Cards lost both times. I remember Musial’s pinch hit single in the second game and the crowd roaring in spite of the rain. The day before, I was playing on the Danville Pony League team in East St. Louis across the river in the Illinois Pony League State Tournament. We lost, otherwise I would have been playing that Sunday and missed seeing Musial entirely.

Can you imagine either 1) teams playing double headers two days in a row now, or 2) a rain delayed double header lasting just over five hours?

Steven
Steven
11 years ago

I just saw the funeral on TV here, in the St. Louis area. First time I ever saw Bob Costas almost break down while speaking. Really impressive service for Number Six. RIP Stan.

MikeD
MikeD
11 years ago
Reply to  Steven

I missed the ceremony. Not even sure it was on in my area since I don’t live in St. Louis. I would have loved to have seen the tribute to The Man. Changing the topic slightly, Costas is a true baseball fan. He loves the game, so I forgive his rare, but ocassional off-the-rails moments, such as as he did with his lame comments toward bloggers a few years back. I don’t particuarly like his “authentic” narrative when talking about baseball stats and PEDs. Yet I understand where it comes from. It’s the the adult man who is a reporter… Read more »

Jason Z
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Hi Def is the enemy of the 40+ crowd.

If someone has a blemish on their skin
I can see it.

MikeD
MikeD
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

JA, perhaps the greater issue is I’m viewing a hi-def world through my low-def eyes!

Jimbo
Jimbo
11 years ago

Nitpick. His .376 avg was not the highest from 36-98. Tony Gwynn ’94.

kds
kds
11 years ago

A few things not mentioned yet. Musial led the NL in SLG 3 times while hitting 2B and >3B. Only Cobb and Speaker have > 2B + 3B. And playing all his career after 1920 is not the only reason he had > 4* their HR. Maybe the greatest line drive hitter ever.

kds
kds
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Tried to redo that post and it got eaten. I should have remembered not to use >< for HTML reasons. Musial led the NL in SLG 3 times in seasons in which he hit < 20 HR. These were 43,44,46 so WW2 and the balata ball had a big impact. What other post 1920 seasons had the SLG leader hit so few HR? Only Speaker hit more of both 2B and 3B. only Cobb and Speaker hit more 2B + 3B. Musial hit a lot more HR, and not just because he played all of his career in the lively… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

You can also toss in Cy Williams in 1926 with .568 SLG and 18 HR.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Reply to #103:

John: I did it with the PI. I used Seasons Finder Player Batting, Single Season Totals, 1920 to 2012, Qualified for Batting Title, sorted by SLG, set HR equal to or less than 19 and clicked Get Report. Then I scrolled down the list looking for black ink.

Doug
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  kds

Also Rogers Hornsby in 1920 NL, 9 HR, .559 SLG. Hornsby also led the NL in SLG in 1921 and 1928, each time with 21 HR. Post-war, lowest HRs for a slugging leader 1952 NL, Musial, 21 HR, .538 SLG 1965 AL, Yastrzemski, 20 HR, .536 SLG 1975 AL, Fred Lynn, 21 HR, .566 SLG Since Lynn, lowest HRs for a SLG leader (excl. strike years) were by George Brett with 24/.664 in 1980. That .664 in 1980 is the highest SLG for that number of HR or less since Hugh Duffy’s 1894 season. Lowest HR for recent SLG leaders… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

I don’t know if this has been mentioned but after skimming through Musial’s SABR bio, I read that on 9-11-62 Musial became the first grandfather to hit a HR in the Majors. The bio implies that the HR was hit on the 10th but it was actually the 11th.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

And it was 1963, not 1962.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

At the time at least, the belief was that what RC says is correct. I remember the news story but not the date.

Jason Z
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

On May 4, 2007, 48-year-old Julio Franco hit the final homer of his career. It came in Arizona off 1963 COG inductee, “Death To Flying Things”, and landed in the swimming pool in right center field. I have no idea regarding his reproductive prowess. He certainly could have been a pop pop. Regardless, he is the oldest player to hit a home run in MLB history. He is also the oldest player to hit a pinch hit home run, a grand slam and homer twice in the same game. Finally, after homering in the second inning for the final time… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason Z

Franco’s final SB occurred on 6-1-07.
I have two sources stating that Grandpa Musial’s HR was on 9-10-63

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

Musial batted .341 in his 16 games as a grandpa. Based on JA’s post #89 I guess it’s safe to say that Musial holds all of the grandpa records.

Jason Z
11 years ago

I knew you would Richard. So confident that I didn’t even ask.

Thanks.

I must admit that I was hoping the final HR and the final SB had come in the same game.