One fantastic season: Derek Jeter’s playoff career

After yet another playoff appearance in 2012, Derek Jeter has now played in 158 career post-season games, essentially an exact full season. Looking at his numbers, the results are staggering.

So, first, take a look at his basic numbers:

G:  158
PA: 734
AB: 650
R:  111
H:  200
2B:  32
3B:   5
HR:  20
RBI: 61
BA:  .308
OBP: .374
SLG: .465

So, yeah, that’s awfully good for a guy who batted primarily 1st and 2nd in the lineup. The .374 OBP is awfully nice, as are the 111 runs scored.

But keep in mind which pitchers he’s faced–all playoff pitchers. These guys are, on average, better pitchers since they are members of playoff teams.

Here’s a list of some of the pitchers Jeter has faced most often in the playoffs. The key is plate appearances in the regular season plus playoffs (RS+PL), regular season only (RS), and playoffs only (PL).

                RS+PL   RS      PL
Pedro Martinez	121	99	22
Derek Lowe	80	61	19
John Lackey	91	75	16
Aaron Sele	81	67	14
Curt Schilling	71	57	14
Tim Wakefield	133	121	12
Cliff Lee	52	41	11
Johan Santana	49	38	11
Greg Maddux	28	17	11
Freddy Garcia	48	38	10
Bartolo Colon	51	42	9
Tim Hudson	44	35	9
Josh Beckett	104	96	8
Kevin Appier	58	50	8
Darren Oliver	54	46	8
J Verlander	49	41	8
Brad Radke	53	46	7
Al Leiter	45	38	7
Scott Erickson	67	61	6
Ervin Santana	55	49	6
Jarrod Washburn	51	45	6
Mark Mulder	41	35	6
Tom Glavine	39	33	6
Randy Johnson	17	11	6

There are an awful lot of good names on that list, which makes sense since these are guys who pitched their teams to the playoffs. I found more than 200 plate appearances against star pitchers in the playoffs, and that’s before we even look at the small numbers against lots of great closers. I have to think that this is a much better quality group than Jeter (or anybody) faced in a single regular season.

So, yeah–Jeter’s good.


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One fantastic season: Derek Jeter’s playoff career — 68 Comments

  1. Those are great stats, Andy. This will sound like a twelve year-old’s comment, but I think that beyond his stats you have to add Jeter’s 2001 flip. As always, I was rooting against the Yankees when he made it, but I felt right away that I had never seen a better, more improbable play executed with greater leverage. People talk justfiably about Mays’s catch (which I was also rooting against), but in terms of combining athletic and mental performance at a critical juncture, I think Jeter set a new standard.

    Individual fielding plays don’t leave any special statistical record, but the exceptional ones are central to the greatness of the game. For Jeter to have accomplished what was probably one of the half-dozen finest ever should count for something.

    • IMO Jeter’s greatest post season play was when he took a relay and nailed Timo Perez at the plate in game 1 of the 2000 WS. That was the game that Perez thought a Todd Zeile double was a HR and jogged just long enough to get thrown out and cost the Mets the game (the Yanks won 4-3 in 12).

      • As a lifelong Yankee fan (my favorite player as a kid was Chris Chambliss and I still have my Rawlings first base glove with his “signature” on it!) I’ve seen a bit of Jeter’s heroics. Of course the flip is memorable largely because of the sheer improbability of it all.

        Those of us who played baseball or even just watch a lot of games know that it’s punctuated by rhythms. There’s an in-game rhythm, that rises and falls with the score and the innings. There are seasonal rhythms, marked by a team’s tendencies to go on hot streaks or cold stretches. And there are microrhythms within each at bat, defined by the lulls between deliveries and the flurry of activity when the pitcher is in motion and the ball imminently in flight. One of the game’s best rhythms is the classic 4-6-3 double play.

        Watching that flip play against the A’s, my internal clock told me there was an outside chance to get Jeremy Giambi at home that evaporated once Spencer airmailed BOTH cutoff men–the rhythm had been destroyed. The ball was dying and a little off line, and no amount of my own hopes could possibly push it home in time. And then there Jeter was, incredibly, to complete the circuit. As to whether Posada actually tagged Giambi before he touched the plate, Steve Lyons had it right on the broadcast: the home plate umpire has to make a split second call, and said to himself “If you don’t slide on that play, I’m ringing you up.” I’ve watched it fifty times easy, from various camera angles, and still can’t tell for sure. Funny that Gatorade commercial where they used some digital trickery to change the play and make him safe!

        All this by way of preface to my main point, which is to call attention to another Jeterian gem from that 2001 postseason, in what remains today the greatest game I’ve ever seen–Game 7 against the Diamondbacks. Scoreless tie, sixth inning. Clemens and Schilling matching each other in a scoreless duel, neither giving an inch. Steve Finley led off the bottom of the sixth with a single, and with the first run carrying such meaning, Bob Brenly called for a sacrifice to advance the speedy Finley into scoring position. At the last moment (which was caught by the Fox cameras and replayed later in the game), Brenly had a change of heart and let Danny Bautista swing away. Anticipating a bunt, Clemens delivered a first pitch heater up and in. Bautista jumped on it and roped the ball into the left center gap, the deepest part of Bank One Ballpark. Again, my internal baseball clock kicked in, and I knew within the first moments of the ball’s flight that Finley would score easily from first on the play.

        The question was whether we’d get Bautista at third. Bernie chugged to the wall, gathered the ball and made a strong throw (for him) towards third base. Jeter, WAY out on the outfield grass, jumped to catch the ball, turned in midair, and came down firing, landing on his plant foot and heaving a bullet to Scott Brosius to nail Bautista by a fraction of a second. The artistry in that one play, multiplied by the magnitude of the moment (erasing Bautista from third with no outs took away what was almost assuredly another Arizona run) and by the fact that Jeter had hurt his back on Counsell’s bouncer up the middle the inning before, simply blew me away. Through the magic of iTunes and Baseball’s Best, I’ve been able to watch Game 7 a lot (can you tell?). And even now 11 years later, it still hurts.

  2. I agree EPM.

    “The flip” is a singular play in baseball history.

    No shortstop was ever taught to cut off a throw from
    right field.

    For Jeter to do it, at that moment was stunning.

    Your explanation of combining athletic ability and mental performance
    at a critical juncture explains this play perfectly.

    As for the “catch” let me only add that I wish it was known
    as the catch and throw.

    And I further agree

    • Jason Z – But after Bobby Valentine criticized Jeter for being out of position on the play, Jeter shot back and claimed they do practice that play (though not with a flip). So I don’t know. And of course, there’s still the question of whether the tag was applied before Giambi touched the plate…

  3. Putting those stats into perspective, here are the all-time postseason leaders for games played at SS (min. 20 games):

    OPS – Garciaparra 1.016 (25 G), Jeter .838 (157 G), Jay Bell .818 (20 G), Peralta .816 (35 G), Concepcion .789 (31 G).

    HRs – Jeter 20, Garciaparra & Peralta 7.

    Games – Jeter 157, Renteria 66, Furcal 59, Vizquel 57.

    Besides Jeter, none of the other 13 shortstops with 40+ postseason games OPS’d as high as .700.

    • John – you posted a while ago that you were tempted to stop just short of 3000 – since then . I’ve watched you pass Clemente, Kaline etc. I believe this is your Dave Winfield post. May we call you “Mr May?”

      • Oh I think Rose is definitely looking over his shoulder. The only question is whether John passes him before or after Opening Day.

    • A couple of things to keep in mind.

      It’s not only easier to get into post-season play now than it was prior to 1969 or even 1995 but of course there are also the opportunity for far more games once you do.

      Of course it was easier to get into the World Series prior to 1969 and particularly prior to 1961.

      Now that I think about it, if you we’re a hitter who’s career was centered between 1961 and 1969 you really took it in the shorts. Not only did you have to play thru one of the worst eras for hitters in the history of the game but you also had the worst shot at being able to make a name for yourself in the post-season.

      Can anyone say Ron Santo?

    • Through the P-I, I have Jeter at 97-61 (.614), Bernie at 76-45 (.628), Posada 72-53 (.576), Tino 67-32 (.677), O’Neill 60-25 (.706).

      (Totals are career, not just with the Yankees.)

      • Yep 97-71 Thanks – I gave Yanks an extra W v the A’s in an NLDS.

        That would be an good season record in a division w/ some bad O’s and Rays teams. really impressive to have done that in the playoffs.

        I looked at Reggie’s Numbers – he had a lot of long Series and lost a few including a sweep L – not nearly as impressive as I thought it might be.

    • Odd tangent: In Yogi Berra’s 75 postseason games (all WS, of course), he hit better in the losses:

      – 43 Wins: .271/.785, 6 HRs
      – 32 Losses: .279/.849, 6 HRs

      It’s a small sample, of course, but compare it to Mantle just for fun:

      – 31 Wins: .336/1.178, 12 HRs
      – 34 Losses: .183/.658, 6 HRs

  4. Here’s where Jeter stands in post-season rankings.

    Hits – 1st (Bernie is 2nd at just 128)
    Doubles – 1st
    Triples – tied 1st with George Brett and Rafael Furcal (!)
    BA – 30th (min. 100 PA), 8th (min. 200 PA), 3rd (min. 300 PA)
    HRs – 3rd behind Manny and Bernie
    RBI – 4th behing Bernie, Manny and David Justice
    SO – 1st
    BB – 5th

    For just the WS:
    Games – 38, tied 16th
    PA – 173, 10th
    Hits – 50, 5th
    Doubles – 9, tied 3rd (one behind Berra and Frisch)
    Triples – 1, tied 40th
    BA – .321, tied 31st (min. 50 PA), 6th (min. 100 PA), 3rd (min. 150 PA)
    HR – 3, tied 45th
    RBI – 9, tied 83rd
    SO – 39, 2nd behind Mantle
    BB – 13, tied 30th

    • Although it’s not surprising or difficult to understand, these results really underscore the effect of added layers of playoffs–that Jeter can rank so far ahead for overall playoffs but not for World Series despite being to the Series 7 times.

      • Jeter ranking 2nd in doubles with just 9 was the real shocker for me. Would have thought some of the big boppers would have had a lot more than that.

        But, Mantle and Ruth both had exactly 3 times as many HR as doubles. In fact, the top 17 in WS homers all had as many or more HR than doubles, including Frank Robinson (8/2), Hank Bauer (7/2), Chase Utley (7/1), Reggie Smith (6/2) and Lenny Dykstra (6/1).

    • FWIW — Best guess for Yankee pennants during Jeter’s career, if it had been decided purely on best record in the league, is a coin flip between 8 and 9, which is 1 or 2 more than actual.

      With 4 to 14 more WS games, Jeter would move up from 16th to 6th-10th in WS games. But he wouldn’t move up much on the Yankee list; he’d be anywhere from #8 (his current spot) to #5.

      The Yankees had the AL’s best record 9 times: 1998-99, 2002*-04, ’06, ’09 and 2011-12.

      * In 2002, NYY and OAK both had 103 wins, but the Yanks had one rainout. Odds are they would have won either the makeup game or a 1-game playoff, if necessary.

      This of course assumes “all other things being equal.” Theoretically, there could have been years when the Yankees “left wins on the table” because they clinched their division early and had no compelling reason to chase the best overall record. But I can’t find any such years.
      – In ’96, they were 7.5 games worse than Cleveland.
      – In 2000, they were 7 games worse than Cleveland.
      – In ’01, they were 20 games worse than Seattle.
      – In ’02 (tied with OAK at 103 wins), NYY clinched the division after 154 games, then went 6-1.
      – In ’05, they were 4 games worse than Chicago, and tied Boston for the division; they definitely didn’t leave 4 wins on the table.
      – In ’07, they won the WC 2 games behind Boston; obviously they would have rather won the division.
      – In ’10, they won the WC 1 game behind Tampa; obviously would have rather won the division.

      Meanwhile, there’s at least one year when another team might have “left wins on the table”: In ’99, the Indians clinched with 23 games left, and went 11-12 as the Yanks passed them by 1 game for the best record on the final weekend.

      • Yes, it would seem obvious that they would want to win the division in 2010, but that is not how they played it. At all. They lost 8 of 11, giving up at least 7 runs in every loss.

        One detail to encapsulate it:
        Final game of the season, against the Red Sox, must win.
        The starting pitcher was Dustin Moseley.
        He was relieved by Royce Ring.

        • And yes, they played a doubleheader the day before, with both games going 10 innings.
          But still, Dustin Moseley !

          In game two of the twinbill, the one they lost, Girardi did not use:
          Robertson
          Logan
          Chamberlain
          Wood
          or Rivera… all of whom had played in Game 1.

          The eighth inning lead was blown by…

          Royce Ring.

          He was relieved by Ivan Nova, who at the point was a pure rookie playing in his 10th game.

          Nova lost the game in the 10th, in his 3rd inning of relief.

        • Voomo — I know that the last game of 2010, Girardi’s personnel moves did not show much concern for winning the division. He may even have stated as much, that he’d rather have his #1 SP ready to start the playoffs than to use him in game 162 trying to win the division.

          But tracking that back 11 games is a big stretch. They did lose 8 of 11, but they used their regular rotation — Burnett, Sabathia, Pettitte, Nova, Hughes.

          I think the last game is the only game which you can reasonably say would have been managed differently if the pennant were on the line. And even if they had won that game, they would have been just tied with Tampa.

          But, OK, taking it all in, maybe the best estimate is an even 9 pennants via best record, rather than a coin flip between 8 and 9 as I first said.

          • Yes, you’re right that it’s unfair to track 11 games back.
            In fact, I do just remember Girardi’s attitude at the end.

            And what happened? They played a series without HF advantage against the Rangers and Cliff Lee. Bonk.

  5. SABR President Vince Gennaro presented the results of one of his studies a couple months back on players who maintain their level of performance against higher level of pitching during the regular season. Derek Jeter was one of the players he noted who maintained his hitting skill, or probably more accurately didn’t suffer as large a decrease when facing the leagues’ better pitchers. Gennaro then drew the connection between his study that looked at the regular season and postseason performance, where players as a group will more consistently see higher level pitching.

    The study was not about Jeter. He was a data point. Yet it had me wondering if it was possible to build a team that was more likely to win in the postseason by having more of these type of hitters on a team’s roster. It’s not clutch hitting, a term that assumes a skill generating better performance in high-leverage situations. I’m not a believer. Yet even I would admit there are certain players I’d rather have up at the plate in tough situations. Jeter is one of them, but it’s not because he’s clutch. It’s because he maintains who he is.

    • If you’re constructing a team with the post-season in mind as well as the regular season Lou Brock quickly becomes a much stronger candidate. And choosing between Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan and Eddie Collins suddenly becomes lot easier too.

      • Yeah Morgan was surprisingly bad in the postseason. His .182 batting average in 222 PAs has to be one of the worst ever for a HOFer with significant post-season playing time.

      • Hartvig, to be clear(er),I’m not trying to construct a playoff team based on players who historically were strong in the postseason. I was referring to trying to build a team today using something similar to Gennaro’s data to identify which players were more likely to maintain their hitting standards against quality pitching. In theory, if two players were .280/.350/.450 hitters, but one of those two players maintained his hitting against quality pitchers, then I’d want that player out of the two. It’s obviously not that simple (or easy),but with more teams making the postseason, I wonder if any team would try taking this into account.

        • MikeD- I know, I was just goofing around.

          To the point you we’re actually trying to make:

          I would guess that for a relatively major signing that there are so many more important variables in play- like we’re going to commit $15M a year to this guy for 5 years and will he be worth it? has he peaked? will his arm go out?- and the likely sample size so small that I doubt that it gets much consideration in most cases.

          Did the Red Sox think about that when they signed Josh Beckett? It’s possible they did I guess. They were certainly building a team that they expected to play in the post-season. Beckett had clearly shown he could handle post-season pressures. Was it enough of a sample size for them to make a lot out of? Probably not. If it was a consideration it certainly paid off in 2007. But not so much in 2008 or 09.

          I think Steinbrenner even mentioned Catfish Hunter’s post-season experience when talking about his signing. Strangely enough, I DON”T remember them doing that when they signed Reggie Jackson although it’s possible that they did. Was Dave Winfield’s performance in the ’81 series enough to base anything on? Steinbrenner sure tried to and I remember a lot of knowledgeable baseball people calling him out for it.

          I actually could see a team giving it some consideration for lesser role players. You’re looking a 3 pretty equal “2nd lefty out of the pen” types. One has significantly more post-season experience where he did OK or maybe better year got lit up once and THEN came back and did OK. I could at least see that getting some consideration.

          But I’d think that the over-riding consideration is usually going to be who can I sign that’s not going to make me look like an idiot for spending all of that money on him.

    • Any team of All-Time Great Playoff players HAS to include Lenny Dykstra. His playoff OPS is 301 points higher than his regular season OPS. Homered once every 13.6 PAs in the post season, once every 65.1 in the regular season.

  6. Out of Jeter’s 158 postseason games, I’ve attended 37 of them. Here are “my” Jeter stats in those 37 games (I save all of my ticket stubs and did some research on the games I’ve been to in person a few years back).

    G: 37
    PA: N/A (have to find the sheet with his full listing)
    AB: 141
    R: 27
    H: 52
    2B: 6
    3B: 2
    HR: 8
    RBI: 24
    SB: 5
    BA: .369
    OBP: .468 (roughly; because I don’t have my full stats handy, this was his % before the last 2 postseason games I’ve attended)
    SLG: .609 (roughly; because I don’t have my full stats handy, this was his % before the last 2 postseason games I’ve attended)

    The Yanks are 27-10 in these games, for a .730 win %.

    • Wow, presuming you’re a Yankees fan, you’ve seen some great stuff, Dave. Which games that you’ve been present for have been your favorite?

      • heh heh, was posting about a couple of the games before I saw your post. I am a Yankees fan born and bred. My mom said she took me to Yankees games when pregnant with me and I lived in Bronx until I was 8. So it really has been great to see some amazing Yankee moments in person.

        My favorite game has to be the “Mr. November” game. That was the game where Tino Martinez hit a game-tying 2-run, 2-out HR in Game 4 of the World Series vs. the D-Backs. And then Jeter woin the game in extra innings with his HR just after the clock struck midnight making it November. I was in the first row of the LF bleachers with my mom and we went absolutely nuts when Tino hit the tying HR and then Jeter the winning HR. I have been really, really lucky to go to some great Yankees games, but that was #1.

        Believe it or not, I actually have a Top 10 list of my alltime favorite games actually:

        1. the “Mr. November” game mentioned above in 2001.
        2. 1998 World Series Game 1 (my 1st World Series game ever attended…I was with my mom and we were as excited as could be…and then the Yanks scored 7 runs in the 7th – a 3-run HR by Knoblauch to tie the game and grand slam by Tino to win it).
        3. 1995 ALDS Game 1: my first playoff game period and Don Mattingly’s first playoff game. As a huge Mattingly fan, this was amazing. The energy in the Stadium was fantastic.
        4. 2000 World Series Game 1: 1st game of the Subway Series vs. the Mets. Yanks tied it in bottom of 9th and won in 12.
        5. 1996 ALCS Game 1: the Jeffrey Maier game…and many forget, but the Yanks had a walk-off in that game as Bernie Williams hit a game-winning HR in the 11th.
        6. 2009 ALDS Game 2: A-Rod 2-run HR to tie the game in 9th; David Robertson escaped bases loaded jam with 0 out in 11th & Mark Teixeira walk-off HR in 11th.
        7. 1999 ALCS Game 1: 1st playoff game vs. Red Sox since 1978. Bernie walk-off HR in 10th.
        8. 1998 ALCS Game 6: Jeter hit a 2-run 3B in 6th that Manny ramirez jumped for at the wall and the ball landed at his feet instead. I was really close to that play and watching that was hilarious in person…and Yanks clinched to go to WS.
        9. 2000 ALCS Game 6: clincher to get to WS/Subway Series. Yanks scored 6 in 7th to come from behind and I swear the upper deck was swaying when David Justice hit the go-ahead HR.
        10. 2003 World Series Game 2: Matsui 3-run HR in 1st and Pettitte would have had a CGSO were it not for a 2-out error by Brosius.

        Actually, I might have to replace #10 even though it was a World Series game. I was at the game this past postseason where Raul Ibanez hit the game-tying HR in the bottom of the 9th and then the game-winning HR in the 12th. Yeah, replace the 2003 WS game with the Ibanez game :)

          • Wow, really? I have to go to his Baseball-Reference page…hmm, I’m showing Jan. 19th on BR for BY Kim. Either way, close enough, as I love Kim for what he did for the Yankees in that series.

            I have some Yankee-fan friends who don’t have as great memories of the 2001 World Series as I do. Which I can understand, since the Yanks lost in such tough fashion in Game 7. But the wins the Yankees did have in that series were absolutely amazing. If they had won that World Series, Games 4 and 5 would probably be considered the greatest back-to-back games in World Series history. So I don’t let a little thing like losing Game 7 affect my good memories of that series and of Kim :)

          • Here’s a Kim tidbit I’d forgotten, from Wikipedia, talking about the 2003 ALDS:

            “During the lineup announcement in Game 3 at Fenway Park, Red Sox fans intensely booed him. Thinking that he did not deserve the booing after he pitched despite being in pain to advance the Red Sox to the postseason, Kim gave them the middle finger, but later issued an apology. Because of shoulder stiffness, Kim was left off the ALCS roster.”

          • Re: Kim’s birthday, Wikipedia and B-R Bullpen both have Jan. 21, but B-R main page had Jan. 19.

          • Good call. It’s funny as I wrote Brosius, I hesitated, as I knew it seemed wrong. I should have double-checked that one. And I remember being at that game, thinking I couldn’t get too mad at Boone, considering what he did in Game 7 of the ALCS to the Red Sox that year…

    • And I was fortunate enough to see Jeter’s “Jeffrey Maier HR” against the Orioles, and well as his “Mr. November” against the Diamondbacks :)

  7. Oh, and my favorite regular season game was actually a “Derek Jeter game” as it happens. I was at the Yanks–Red Sox game where Jeter dove into the stands to catch a ball and bloodied his face up making the catch. Between that play, the tenseness and energy of the crowd when the rivalry with Boston was at its height and then the Yankees getting a pinch-hit game-winning hit from John Flaherty of all people in the 13th inning…that gets the call for best regular season game.

    • I remember the Bloody Jeter game, of course, but not the late-inning details:
      – Bottom 9th, Yanks had the winning run on 3rd with 1 out, but Sierra pinch-whiffed and Lofton grounded out.
      – Bottom 10th, A-Rod stole 3rd with 2 out, but Bernie lined out.
      – Top 11th, BoSox wasted 2nd/3rd, no outs. Mo IBB’d Varitek, then got Millar on the 5-5-2 DP and escaped.
      – Top 12th, BoSox had lead run on 3rd with 1 out, but Bellhord and Nixon popped up.
      – Bottom 12th, Yanks wasted Cairo’s leadoff triple, as Giambi (PH for Jeter) whiffed.
      – Top 13th, Manny homered off Sturtze.
      – Bottom 13th, first 2 Yanks made outs, but Sierra singled, Cairo doubled for the tie, and Flaherty’s single won it, completing a sweep.

      Cairo only batted twice, but notched a career-best 0.795 WPA for his two extra-base hits.

      • Those details bring back some good memories. I vividly remember Mariano escaping that bases loaded jam…what was crazy as it first seemed like a triple play on an amazing play by A-Rod. It wasn’t of course, but Rivera then got the next guy out to keep the game tied.

        And yeah, Cairo was insane. I remember when he got that 13th inning hit, the crowd was going bananas. It may sound corny, but I’m smiling just continuing to think about that game :)

  8. Just for the heck of it, here are “my” Jeter regular-season numbers, which are just barely over a full season’s worth of games (this is only through 2010, though I’ve been to only a handful of regular-season games the past 2 seasons):

    G: 169 (out of the 174 regular-season games I went to over the course of Jeter’s career; he played in 169 of the 174 games those years)
    PA: 749
    AB: 681
    R: 133
    H: 231
    2B: 37
    3B: 3
    HR: 26
    RBI: 79
    SB: 13
    BA: .339
    OBP: .399
    SLG: .516

    • Here are Jeter’s career averages, over 169 games (the number you’ve seen him play), at HOME, over his career. (I am assuming you’ve seen all of his games at home):

      PA: 760
      AB: 671
      R: 127
      H: 213
      2B: 34
      3B: 3
      HR: 18
      RBI: 83
      SB: 24
      BA: .318
      OBP: .390
      SLG: .459

      So, with the exception of RBI and SB, he’s been better in every category in the subset of games that you’ve attended. I think this qualifies you to advertise yourself as Jeter’s lucky charm! :)

      • Being Jeter’s lucky charm…I’ll take it :) I definitely consider myself lucky to have seen him play so often in person and do even better than his averages for the games I’ve been at. BTW, they are all home numbers I’ve mentioned. I have seen the Yankees on the road a few times (old Washington stadium, White Sox and Seattle), but I don’t count those as the numbers I’ve tabulated are all Yankee-Stadium related.

        BTW, I am a good-luck charm for Mariano Rivera too. Check out these postseason numbers for “my” Mariano games:

        28 games
        3-0 record
        11 saves
        39 IP
        33 K’s
        2 runs
        0.46 ERA

        His postseason ERA is 0.70, so it’s not Rivera has to have me there to do well…

  9. BTW, if we’re turning this into a Derek Jeter appreciation thread…did anyone else see what he did after the Newtown Massacre? One of the students who was killed was a big fan of Jeter’s. When Jeter found that out, he called the mom and talked to her for something like 30 or 40 minutes. The mom said that it absolutely made her day. I absolutely HATE the Yankees but it’s hard not to like Derek Jeter a lot.

  10. Great thread. Now, come up with a stat that accounts for post season leverage and adds it in to career values. Bernie Williams probably wouldn’t have made it anyway, but it should make Jeter a near unanimous choice.

    • It’s a very crude approach, but you could start be simply multiplying each playoff round by a set amount:

      – first round (not sure what they’re calling it nowadays?): X2
      – League Championship round: X4
      – World Series: X6

      No particular reason for the values, but if someone plays the maximum number of games (5/7/7, they would get credit for the equivalent of 80 games, or about half a season. This would add to their career totals, but drag down their rate stats if they played poorly.

      • I like the CPA instead of WPA approach, but WPA is a poor tool for generating career value. I also don’t know if the “Championship leverage index” makes a lot of sense. Game 7 of the world series is pretty special and all but a guy hitting a HR there might as well have struck out 600 times in 600 PA all year and still been an MVP candidate if you’re giving him 166.7 times the regular season value. That seems a little extreme even to me.

        • Bob Gibson gave up three World Series Game 7 home runs in his career (no one has given up more, and only Don Newcombe has given up as many). All three were hit in Game 7 of the 1964 World Series, after the Cards had taken a 6-0 lead with three runs in the fourth inning and three more in the fifth. All three were low leverage events, resulting in little loss of win probability for the Cardinals. In fact if you add up the total negative WPA from all three of those homers, they are are entrely balanced out by the positive WPA generated with one swing when Gibson hit his own World Series Game 7 homer in 1967 off Jim Lonborg in what was still a close game when he hit the homer in the fifth inning.

          One could probably write a pretty interesting little book just going through the history and background of the 44 World Series Game 7 homers that have been hit. Yogi Berra and Moose Skowron hit three each; Mickey Mantle and Del Crandall hit two each.

          The only National League pitcher to give up a World Series Game 7 homer over the last quarter-century is Curt Schilling.

          The Yankees played in 8 World Series Game Sevens over the thirteen year period from 1952 through 1964, but have played in only one (2001) after 1964.

          • When Del Crandall retired as a player after the 1966 season, he was 6th all-time in career homers hit as a catcher.

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