Circle of Greats 1978 Balloting

This post is for voting and discussion in the 137th round of balloting for the Circle of Greats (COG).  This round of balloting adds to the list of candidates eligible to receive your votes those players born in 1978. Rules and lists are after the jump.

The new group of 1978-born players, in order to join the eligible list, must, as usual, have played at least 10 seasons in the major leagues or generated at least 20 Wins Above Replacement (“WAR”, as calculated by baseball-reference.com, and for this purpose meaning 20 total WAR for everyday players and 20 pitching WAR for pitchers). This group of 1978-born candidates joins the eligible holdovers from previous rounds to comprise the full list of players eligible to appear on your ballots.

In addition to voting for COG election among players on the main ballot, there will be also be voting for elevation to the main ballot among players on the secondary ballot. For the main ballot election, voters must select three and only three eligible players, with the one player appearing on the most ballots cast in the round inducted into the Circle of Greats. For the secondary ballot election, voters may select up to three eligible players, with the one player appearing on the most ballots cast elevated to the main ballot for the next COG election round. In the case of ties, a runoff election round will be held for COG election, while a tie-breaking process will be followed to determine the secondary ballot winner.

Players who fail to win either ballot but appear on half or more of the ballots that are cast win four added future rounds of ballot eligibility. Players who appear on 25% or more of the ballots cast, but less than 50%, earn two added future rounds of ballot eligibility. One additional round of eligibility is earned by any player who appears on at least 10% of the ballots cast or, for the main ballot only, any player finishing in the top 9 (including ties) in ballot appearances. Holdover candidates on the main ballot who exhaust their eligibility will drop to the secondary ballot for the next COG election round, as will first time main ballot candidates who attract one or more votes but do not earn additional main ballot eligibility. Secondary ballot candidates who exhaust their eligibility will drop from that ballot, but will become eligible for possible reinstatement in a future Redemption round election.

All voting for this round closes at 11:59 PM EST Sunday, February 5th, while changes to previously cast ballots are allowed until 11:59 PM EST Friday, February 3rd.

If you’d like to follow the vote tally, and/or check to make sure I’ve recorded your vote correctly, you can see my ballot-counting spreadsheet for this round here: COG 1978 Vote Tally. I’ll be updating the spreadsheet periodically with the latest votes. Initially, there is a row in the spreadsheet for every voter who has cast a ballot in any of the past rounds, but new voters are entirely welcome — new voters will be added to the spreadsheet as their ballots are submitted. Also in the spreadsheet is a column for each of the holdover candidates; additional player columns from the new born-in-1978 group will be added to the spreadsheet as votes are cast for them.

Choose your three players, for both the main and secondary ballots, from the lists below of eligible players. The current holdovers are listed in order of the number of future rounds (including this one) through which they are assured eligibility, and alphabetically when the future eligibility number is the same. The 1978 birth-year players are listed below in order of the number of seasons each played in the majors, and alphabetically among players with the same number of seasons played.

Holdovers:

MAIN BALLOT ELIGIBILITY SECONDARY BALLOT ELIGIBILITY
Bill Dahlen 9 rounds Todd Helton 13 rounds
Dick Allen 7 rounds Minnie Minoso 7 rounds
Luis Tiant 5 rounds Bobby Abreu 5 rounds
Carlos Beltran 4 rounds Ken Boyer 5 rounds
Vladimir Guerrero 2 rounds Billy Williams 4 rounds
David Ortiz 2 rounds Reggie Smith 3 rounds
Scott Rolen 2 rounds Monte Irvin 2 rounds
Gary Sheffield 2 rounds Richie Ashburn this round ONLY
Ted Simmons 2 rounds Lance Berkman this round ONLY
Don Sutton 2 rounds Stan Coveleski this round ONLY
Bobby Wallace 2 rounds Andre Dawson this round ONLY
Andruw Jones this round ONLY Don Drysdale this round ONLY
Ted Lyons this round ONLY    
Graig Nettles this round ONLY    
Willie Randolph this round ONLY    
Rick Reuschel this round ONLY    

Everyday Players (born in 1978, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Aramis Ramírez
Jimmy Rollins
Victor Martinez
Chase Utley
Vernon Wells
Carlos Peña
Endy Chávez
Miguel Olivo
Yorvit Torrealba
Milton Bradley
Chone Figgins
Willie Harris
Ryan Ludwick
Xavier Nady
Juan Rivera
Jason Bay
Matt Diaz
Greg Dobbs
Cristian Guzmán
Dewayne Wise
Josh Bard
Joe Crede
Esteban Germán
Nick Johnson

Pitchers (born in 1978, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Kyle Lohse
John Lackey
Jason Marquis
Barry Zito
Aaron Harang
Brad Penny
Chad Qualls
Kevin Gregg
Cliff Lee
Chris Capuano
Juan Cruz
Peter Moylan
Joel Piñeiro
José Valverde
Mike González
Matt Guerrier
Jon Rauch
Mike Adams
Tony Armas
Gil Meche
Odalis Pérez
Ben Sheets

As is our custom with first time candidates, here is a factoid and related quiz question on each of the new players on the ballot. Unless specified otherwise, references in the quiz questions are to modern era (since 1901) seasons in the AL and NL.

1 Aramis Ramírez recorded 1000+ games at 3B for the Cubs, and 1000+ games at 3B for other teams. Which other two players recorded 1000+ games at 3B for one club, and another 1000 900+ games at 3B for other teams? Graig Nettles, Gary Gaetti
2 Jimmy Rollins is the third player to post a season (2007) with 30+ home runs and 20+ triples. Which two Hall of Famers matched that feat? Jim Bottomley (1928), Willie Mays (1957)
3 Kyle Lohse led his league with an .842 W-L% in a season (2012) with decisions in fewer than 58% of his starts. Which pitcher led his league with a higher W-L% in such a season? Aaron Sanchez (2016)
4 Victor Martinez recorded 900+ hits for both the Tigers and Indians. Which other player recorded 900+ hits for the Tigers and for another franchise? Magglio Ordonez (Tigers and White Sox)
5 Chase Utley’s 1453 games at 2B is a Phillie franchise record. Whose record did Utley break? Tony Taylor
6 Vernon Wells led the majors with a Blue Jay franchise record 215 hits in 2003, while also leading the AL in doubles and total bases. Which other two Blue Jays posted seasons leading the AL in both doubles and total bases? Shawn Green (1999), Carlos Delgado (2000)
7 Jason Marquis’ 6.02 ERA in 2006 is a Cardinal franchise worst in a qualified season since 1901. Whose record did Marquis break? Bill Sherdel (1929)
8 Barry Zito posted a career W-L% of .618 in the AL, but only .441 in the NL. Since 1901, which pitcher has the only larger difference in career W-L% between leagues, among pitchers with 1000+ IP and 125+ decisions in both the AL and NL? Zack Greinke
9 John Lackey led the AL with a 3.01 ERA for the 2007 Angels. Which Angel pitcher led his league in ERA and won the CYA in the same season? Dean Chance (1964)
10 Brad Penny, at age 25 for the 2003 Marlins, started and won the first two World Series games of his career, allowing no more than two runs in each contest. Which two pitchers as young as Penny matched his feat, while playing for teams that did not win the World Series? Waite Hoyt (1921), Jim Lonborg (1967)
11 Carlos Peña batted .227 with a league-leading 39 HR in 2009, the fourth lowest BA by a league home run champ. Which player posted the lowest batting average while leading his league in homers? Dave Kingman (1982)
12 Aaron Harang led the NL in wins, complete games and strikeouts for the 2006 Reds. Which pitcher did Harang edge out to become the tallest Red with that trifecta? Ewell Blackwell (1947)
13 Chad Qualls recorded four straight seasons (2005-08) of 70+ games with 115+ ERA+ and BB/9 under 3. Which pitcher has the only longer streak of such seasons? Tony Watson (2014-18)
14 Yorvit Torrealba came off the bench to stroke a run scoring triple in the first AB of his career. Which other catcher had the same career debut? (Hint: it was the only game of his career) Charlie Lindstrom (son of HOFer Freddie Lindstrom)
15 Endy Chávez posted consecutive seasons (2003-04) of 5+ HR, 5+ triples and three times as many stolen bases as triples. Which other Expo or National centerfielder matched this feat? Marquis Grissom (1991-92)
16 Miguel Olivo posted the lone qualified season of his career as a 32 year-old catcher for the 2011 Mariners. Who is the oldest catcher to record a lone qualified season in a career of 10 or more seasons?
17 Cliff Lee led the AL in wins, W-L% and ERA for the 2008 Indians. Which other Cleveland pitchers have matched that feat? Corey Kluber (2017), Shane Bieber (2020)
18 Kevin Gregg recorded consecutive seasons (2014-15) of 10+ games with ERA reaching 10. Which other pitcher has matched that feat? (Hint: he was also born in 1978) Chris Bootcheck (2008-09)
19 Joel Piñeiro posted a career worst 6.36 ERA as a swingman for the 2006 Mariners. Which pitcher recorded the highest ERA in a season, like Pineiro’s, with 15+ starts and 15+ relief appearances?
20 Xavier Nady’s best season came in 2008 with 35+ doubles, 25+ HR and 90+ RBI in a campaign split between the Pirates and Yankees. Who was the first player to post those same totals in an expansion era season split between two or more franchises? Bobby Bonilla (1995)
21 Milton Bradley led his league in 2008 in OBP, OPS and OPS+, despite fewer than 25 HR and more than 100 strikeouts. Which other player did the same? Dick Allen (1967)
22 Juan Rivera’s 2006 season included 20+ doubles, 20+ HR and a .300+ BA, while playing 20+ games at each outfield position. Who was the first player to record such a season?
23 Willie Harris hit fewer than 50 home runs in a 1000+ game career, including 200+ games at 2B, LF and CF. Which other player recorded such a career?
24 Juan Cruz recorded consecutive seasons (2007-08) with an .850+ W/L% and 150+ ERA+ in 50+ games, all in relief. Which other pitcher did the same?
25 Ryan Ludwick’s best season came in 2008, one of 16 seasons by Cardinals with 35+ 2B, 35+ HR, 100+ R and 100+ RBI. Which of those Cardinals reached those marks with more whiffs than Ludwick’s total of 146? Jim Edmonds (2004)
26 Chone Figgins led his league in walks and times caught stealing at age 31 in 2009. Who is the oldest player to match that feat? Brett Butler (1991) age 34
27 José Valverde recorded 3 seasons finishing more than 90% of 70+ relief appearances. Who is the only pitcher with more such seasons?
28 Chris Capuano recorded the final shutout of his career for the 2011 Mets while also posting a career worst qualified ERA+ of 81. Which Met pitcher recorded consecutive seasons with one or more shutouts and qualified ERA+ under 85? Al Jackson (1964-65)
29 Peter Moylan led the majors in appearances in 2017, but recorded nary a decision. Which pitcher matched that feat with more appearances than Moylan’s total of 79? Randy Choate (2012)
30 Cristian Guzmán matched a Senator/Twin franchise record with three seasons leading the AL in triples. Which player shares that record with Guzman? Zoilo Versalles (1963-65)
31 Dewayne Wise recorded 30+ HR and 100+ RBI in a 575 game career including 100+ games at each outfield position. Who was the first player to post such a career while playing fewer career games than Wise? (Hint: he recorded more than twice as many HR and RBI as Wise, and almost twice as many strikeouts)
32 Jon Rauch recorded 21 wins in fewer than 300 IP for the Expos and Nationals. Which pitcher posted more wins in as short a tenure with the franchise?
33 Mike González’s two 40+ IP seasons with 200+ ERA+ are tied for the most by a Pirate. Who was the first pitcher to record two such seasons for Pittsburgh?
34 Matt Diaz‘s three non-qualified seasons (less than 3.1 PA per team game) of 120+ games with a .300+ BA and .800+ OPS are tied for the most in a career. Using the same qualification standard, which player shares that record with Diaz?
35 Jason Bay‘s 97 home runs over his first four seasons (2003-06) were then the most by a Canadian-born player to begin a career. Which player holds that distinction today? Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (104 HR)
36 Matt Guerrier’s 4 seasons (2007-10) for the Twins with 70+ games pitched is a franchise record. Who was the first Twin to pitch 70+ games in a season? Ron Perranoski (1969)
37 Greg Dobbs’s career totals of 959 games and 2272 PA are by far the most among players with 45% of games as a pinch-hitter and negative career oWAR and dWAR. Who was the first player with such a career of 500+ games and 1000+ PA?
38 Odalis Pérez recorded 4 complete games in his career, all of them in the 2002 season, the most CG by a player having all of his CG in one season of a 10+ season career as a pitcher. Which player had the most CG with all of them in one season of an 8+ season career as a pitcher? (Hint: the awkward wording is intended to exclude players who pitched in only a small part of their careers; ergo, Johnny Lindell is not the answer) George Zuverink (9 CG in 1954)
39 Gil Meche is the only pitcher with 100+ games for the Royals and Mariners. His six .500 or better seasons of 15+ starts for Seattle are the most among pitchers to never post a losing record for the Mariners in such a season. Whose Mariner record did Meche break? John Halama (3 seasons, 1999-2001)
40 Tony Armas was used exclusively as a starting pitcher in eight seasons as an Expo and National. Moving to Pittsburgh, Armas posted a 6.03 ERA as a swingman in 2007, the worst ERA by a Pirate pitcher in a season of 15+ starts and 15+ relief appearances. Whose Pirate record did Armas break? Hal Carlson (1922)
41 Joe Crede swatted 140 home runs with a 92 OPS+ in a career including 800+ games at 3B. Which other third baseman posted those identical totals in a career with as many games at the hot corner?
42 Ben Sheets’ 250 career starts is the 3rd highest total of the expansion era among retired pitchers used exclusively as starters. Which active pitcher has more starts than Sheets and has yet to pitch in relief in the regular season or post-season? Gerrit Cole
43 Nick Johnson’s two qualified seasons (2005-06) with 135+ OPS+ are the most by an Expo/National first baseman. Who was the first Expo/National first baseman to record one such season? Al Oliver (1982)
44 Esteban Germán played 75+ games at 2B and 3B for the Royals. Which teammate of Germán’s did the same? Alberto Callaspo
45 Josh Bard caught 100+ games for the Indians and Padres. Who was the first catcher to do this? Fred Kendall
46 Mike Adams’ 1.66 ERA is a Padre franchise best in 200+ career IP for the Friars. Whose Padre record did Adams break? Kevin Brown
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Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
11 days ago

It’s good to be back considering candidates for the Circle of Greats. Thank you for putting this all together, Doug.

#2: Willie Mays and Jim Bottomley
#6: Shawn Green and Carlos Delgado

Tom
Tom
11 days ago

#11, HR + low BA= Dave Kingman. 1982: .204, 37,

Voomo
Voomo
11 days ago

Chase Utley is tied for 95th in position player WAR with 64.5. Due to his well-regarded ages 25-33 defense, he amassed that number in only 7,863 PA. The only players with a higher WAR in fewer PA are: 82.4 / 6,159 – Trout 79.8 / 7,691 – Brouthers 79.2 / 7,672 – Joe D 78.0 / 7,723 – Arky V 70.7 / 7,372 – Mize His counting stats are modest for COGer: 1103 Runs 1885 Hits 259 HR 154 SB 1025 RBI 117 OPS+ 5th in the modern era in HBP. 5-year run with an average WAR of 7.9 6-year… Read more »

Paul E
Paul E
11 days ago
Reply to  Voomo

Voomo,
Rollins and Howard won MVP awards for those teams but, apparently, Utley was the most valuable. WAR loves OBP, BB, and HBP. Rollins didn’t walk much and, based on the ballpark factor, Howard didn’t accumulate much WAR either. CoG for Utley? i don’t think so

Voomo
Voomo
9 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug, that is one ugly mess of numbers.

Paul E
Paul E
11 days ago

#1 Adrian Beltre

Paul E
Paul E
11 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

Sorry; looks like Beltre DH’d a good deal with Texas and only got to ~950 games with LA
Mea culpa

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 days ago

#14: Charlie Lindstrom of the White Sox on 9/28/1958.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 days ago

#29: Randy Choate in 2012 with 80 appearances.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 days ago

#42: Gerrit Cole.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 days ago

#35: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. with 104 HR.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 days ago

#30: Zoilo Versalles 1963, 1964 (tied) and 1965.

Jeff H
Jeff H
10 days ago

Secondary: Williams, Dawson, Helton
Main: A. Jones, Lyons, Dahlen

Paul E
Paul E
10 days ago

#17 Shane Bieber ?

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

Looks like Bieber in 2020 and Corey Kluber in 2017 both fit as answers to #17.

Paul E
Paul E
10 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Geeze, where are Siebert and McDowell when you need them?

Jeff H
Jeff H
10 days ago

#4 – Magglio Ordonez

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 days ago

#45: Fred Kendall?

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 days ago

#36: Ron Perranoski in 1969 (75 games pitched)

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 days ago

#38: George Zuverink had all of his 9 CG in 1954 but I don’t know if it is a record.

Paul E
Paul E
10 days ago

#25 Jim Edmunds in 2004

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 days ago

#12: Ewell Blackwell stood 6’6” (an inch shorter than Aaron Harang) and led the NL in 1947 with 22 wins, 23 CG, and 193 strikeouts.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 days ago

#43: Ron Fairly in 1973 with OPS+ of 142.

Doug
Doug
10 days ago

Not Fairly. He was the Expos’ left fielder that year.

Paul E
Paul E
9 days ago
Reply to  Doug

AL OLIVER 1982 ?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 days ago

#40: Hal Carlson in 1922 with an ERA of 5.70.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
9 days ago

#39: Haven’t found anyone with five seasons yet. John Halama had four seasons with the Mariners of 15+ starts without a losing record in any of them.

Doug
Doug
9 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Halama is the answer, though he had only three seasons with 15+ starts.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
9 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Thank you. I looked at the games column instead of games started. Though if I had realized he only had three such seasons, I might not have even considered he could be the answer.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 days ago

#7: Bill Sherdel with 5.93 in1929.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 days ago

#15: Marquis Grissom, 1991 and 1992.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
8 days ago

Main ballot: Nettles, Allen, Lyons
Secondary ballot: Coveleski, Boyer, Dawson

Paul E
Paul E
8 days ago

#1 Nettles and Gaetti ?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
8 days ago
Reply to  Doug

I found Joe Heving with 63 appearances in 1944 at age 43.

Doug
Doug
8 days ago

You got it. Those 63 appearances were then one shy of Firpo Marberry’s AL record.

Heving’s other claim to fame is having the best W-L% (.706) among 124 pitchers with 500+ IP aged 36+. Heving’s 700.2 IP ranks third among relievers (80% of appearances) in that group, behind Wilhelm and Jeff Fassero (whose IP are juiced by two seasons as a starter over that period).

Last edited 8 days ago by Doug
Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Todd Helton home/road:

.345 / .441 / .607 / 1.048
.287 / .386 / .469 / .855

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago
Reply to  Voomo

WAR: 4 times in the top 10. Once in the top 5 (2000, when he led the league).

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago
Reply to  Voomo

I believe Helton’s road slash line is very similar to Walker’s away from Colorado slash line and their OPS “ratios” home/away are similar (120/80 vs 119/80)

Paul E
Paul E
3 days ago
Reply to  Doug

.384 /.464 /.716 /1.179 !! That’s like Stan Musial in 1948 (his greatest season), Ted Williams 1957, Jimmie Foxx 1932, Gehrig 1930, 1934… I believe, overall, for his entire career away from Colorado (including as a visitor with MTL and STL), Walker may have been .280/.380/.503 ? For his career, Walker had a 141 OPS+. This 141 OPS+ coincides with his 1992 season in MTL where he slashed .301/.353/.506 in 143 games. The Phillies aggressively pursued Gregg Jeffries in free agency in lieu of Walker. Does Larry make it to Cooperstown playing in Philadelphia? I dunno, but he’s in now

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Minnie Minoso: 5.7 WAR in an age 27 rookie season.

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago
Reply to  Voomo

Dick Allen: 8.8 WAR in 1964 rookie season at age 22 ? Allen’s rookie season is probably top 3 all time with Joe Jackson and Mike Trout

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Kind of odd that Joe Jackson exceeded his rookie “limits” in 1910 with only 20 games played and a mere 86 plate appearances. I thought the threshold was 90 PA’s or 45 innings pitched in a season? Perhaps it’s cumulative?

Voomo
Voomo
5 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Tulowitski came in 2nd in ROY with 6.8 WAR

2.0 Braun
6.8 Tulo

5.2 oWar / -32 Rfield
3.7 oWar / +31 Rfield

Paul E
Paul E
3 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Somewhere in one of his musings/writings, Bill James indicated something to the effect of “just letting Braun stand on third base and scoring seven runs a game and see if the other team can out-score you”. This, while Prince Fielder was doing his best possible Dick Stuart imitation at 1B.

Paul E
Paul E
3 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug, regarding the inherent exclusion of rookie seasons due to the “Negro Leagues are Major Leagues mantra”, I don’t know if any of the guys who played in the immediate post-integration period would have made the list above. 1947 4.1 Jackie Robinson 1948 4.6 Larry Doby 1948 2.2 Campanella 1949 5.5 Don Newcombe 1950 3.2 Sam Jethroe 1952 4.3 Joe Black 1955 3.2 Sam Jones This is not to imply that if Josh Gibson made 650 plate appearances for the 1935 Pittsburgh Pirates (or any other ML team) he wouldn’t have made this list; it’s merely a matter of data… Read more »

Doug
Doug
2 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

You’re quite right that there aren’t many. Presumably, Minoso’s season is the best.

I remember in a previous post, I tried to find players with a reasonable number of games in the Negro Leagues and in the AL or NL, and it was a pretty short list. Because early integration, aside from a few clubs, was quite limited (or entirely lacking), most of the early black stars in the AL/NL spent little or no time in the Negro leagues.

Paul E
Paul E
1 day ago
Reply to  Doug

I had long thought that Doby had an argument for MVP in 1954 but it appears Minoso’s claim is not without merit.

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Stan Covelski: 9 seasons in the top 10 for Pitcher WAR. 6 times in the top 3,
Three CG victories in the 1920 WS

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Donald Drysdale: 8 seasons in the top 10 for Pitcher WAR.
5 in the top 3.
Twice led the league.
5.8 WAR with the bat.

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Secondary Ballot:

Covelski
Drysdale
Minoso

Voomo
Voomo
8 days ago

Main Ballot:

Dick Allen
Carlos Beltran
Chse Utley

I think this is my first time voting for Allen. Trying to answer the question of who on this list was “great”. We have a lot of defensive greats here, and pitchers who accumulated WAR in part because of extreme park factors. I’ll give Allen the nod for being a truly great hitter.

Utley deserves some time to be considered. Top 3 in WAR for five consecutive years.

Beltran did everything well: speed, power, defense, got on base, post season heroics.

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago

Main: Allen, Beltran, Dahlen.
Secondary: Helton, Minoso, Billy Williams

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
6 days ago

#3: Figuring Roy Face’s .947 W-L% in 1959 didn’t meet the spirit of your question, I found Aaron Sanchez (.882, with 17 decisions in 30 starts) in 2016. Since going 15-2 in his age-23 season , Sanchez has a 14-28 record with five teams and is currently a free agent.

Paul E
Paul E
6 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Aaron Sanchez? Wasn’t he on the Food Channel:

https://www.foodnetwork.com/profiles/talent/aaron-sanchez/bio

i dunno….

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
6 days ago
Reply to  Paul E

Ha! Apparently a fact I overlooked…

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
6 days ago

#46: Kevin Brown, 2.38 ERA

Doug
Doug
6 days ago

In one season (1998) as a Padre, and a big reason why the Friars were NL champs that year.

Kevin went up the freeway to LA after that campaign and continued pitching very well, when he was healthy.

Last edited 6 days ago by Doug
Ryan Opahle
Ryan Opahle
6 days ago

For the 1978 election, I’m voting for:

-Carlos Beltran
-Don Sutton
-Willie Randolph

Other top candidates I considered highly (and/or will consider in future rounds):

-Guerrero
-Rolen
-Jones
-Utley
-Tiant
-Reuschel
-Nettles
-Allen
-Wallace
-Dahlen
-Lyons
-Sheffield

Thanks!

Ryan Opahle
Ryan Opahle
6 days ago

For the Secondary Ballot, I’m voting for:

-Todd Helton
-Lance Berkman
-Andre Dawson

Thanks!

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
6 days ago

Main: Betran, Ortiz, Sheffield

Secondary: Helton, Minoso, Williams

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
6 days ago

#8: I came up with Zack Greinke, .511 in the AL and .712 in the NL.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

Good find, Richard. I had it in my head that the answer – like with Zito – would have a sub-.500 record in one league. Greinke has put together a really solid career.

Doug
Doug
5 days ago

Greinke (2011-17) and Christy Mathewson (1907-13) are the only pitchers to record 7 straight seasons of 25+ starts with a .650+ W-L%. Mathewson has a record 10 such seasons overall, one more than Greinke, Verlander, Maddux, Clemens and Ford.

At the .700 level with 25 starts, Sabathia’s 7 seasons are the most, with Greinke, Scherzer, Unit, Clemens, Ford and Grove one behind, and Pedro and Mathewson two back.

Last edited 5 days ago by Doug
Tom
Tom
5 days ago

Main ballot:
Sutton, Dahlen,Guerrero

Secondary:
Drysdale, Irvin, Abreau

Tom
Tom
5 days ago

#9 Dean Chance. 1964, 1.65 ERA

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

#5: Is it Tony Taylor? I counted 1003 games for him at second base with the Phillies.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
5 days ago
Reply to  Doug

And in second place with 17 consecutive seasons of single digit, non-zero HR is Warren Spahn.

Doug
Doug
5 days ago

Nice one. 🙂

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

Wow! I never would have guessed Spahn had that kind of streak. Then again, I’m surprised Taylor had 18 consecutive years of non-zero single digit homers.

Doug, Taylor’s and Bowa’s numbers do look a lot alike.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
5 days ago

Also Brad Ausmus with 17 consecutive seasons.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
4 days ago

Just noticed Ty Cobb had 16 consecutive seasons.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
4 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

And 16 for Red Ruffing.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

#10: Rube Marquard (Giants, 1912) and Waite Hoyt (Yankees, 1921).

Doug
Doug
4 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Hoyt is correct, but not Marquard, as he made his WS debut the year before with starts that do not meet the stated criteria.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
4 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Forgot to check that.

How about Jim Lonborg for the Cardinals in 1967?

Doug
Doug
4 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

It was Lonborg for the Red Sox, but you’ve got the right guy.

Hoyt and Lonborg both had CG wins in their first two starts, and both started the final game of the series as well. Hoyt was a hard luck 1-0 loser in a third CG, and Lonborg ran out of gas on two days rest, getting shelled for 7 runs.

Last edited 4 days ago by Doug
Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

#18: Chris Bootcheck

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
5 days ago

#18: Tony Watson from 2014-2018.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

Richard, you meant Tony Watson for the answer to question #13 (longest streak of seasons with 70+ games, 115+ ERA+ and BB/9 under 3), right?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
4 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Yes, I did mean #13. Thanks for the correction.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
5 days ago

#26: Burt Shotton was also in his age 31 season when leading the AL in CS and BB in 1916. The oldest I could find leading his league in both categories, though, was Brett Butler at 34 leading the NL in 1991.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
4 days ago

#21: Dick Allen in 1967.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
4 days ago

#16: Had thought of Terry Steinbach a few days ago but dismissed the possibility without checking – likely because he had seasons with 494, 491, 489, and 488 PAs. In fact, aside from a cup of coffee in 1986 and his qualifying 1996 season at age 34, his 12 other seasons were remarkably consistent with at least 380 PA in each.

Doug
Doug
3 days ago
Reply to  Scary Tuna

Actually, Steinbach had two qualifying seasons, the 1996 season you mentioned and also in 1994 when he caught in 93 of Oakland’s 114 games.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
3 days ago
Reply to  Doug

Ah, yes – thank you for the reminder. I also forgot to account for the slightly shorter (144-game) 1995 season. But at 440 PA it looks like he was just short of the 446 needed. That projects to 495 PA in a 162-game season, which fits right in with the others.

Tom
Tom
4 days ago

#44 Alberto Callaspo.

Doug
Doug
3 days ago
Reply to  Tom

Callaspo played 146 games at 2B in 2009 and led all second sackers with 17 errors. After that season, he played only 95 of 785 games at 2B.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
3 days ago

#20: Bobby Bonilla with the O’s and the Mets.