Lough in the order / High extra-base hits

On Sunday, David Lough (pronounced “low”) became the 11th player with 4 extra-base hits in a game while batting 8th. Here are some notes on those games. (All game distinctions mentioned are since 1916, the searchable era.)

 

Win Probability Added: Nine of the 11 games have complete play-by-play accounts (all but Lazzeri and Gordon), and thus have WPA figures. Lough’s performance scored 0.638 WPA, by far the most of the nine. His hits were 3 of the 4 most positive events for the Royals, including the decisive HR in the 8th inning.

  • For any order spot, Lough ranks 6th among the 246 regulation four-XBH games (any order spot) for which WPA figures are known. The top mark by far is 1.027 by Joey Votto last May 13: 3 homers, including a 2-out, walk-off, come-from-behind slam. Second is Carlos Delgado’s 4-HR game, the first one making a 3-0 lead, the last 2 tying the game. The lowest WPA in this group was .011 by Al Kaline (sorry, Hartvig!) in 1956, thanks mainly to a bases-loaded, inning-ending DP when the game was still scoreless.
  • The highest WPA in extra innings was 1.126 by George Brett: A cycle plus a walk-off HR. (The home 12th featured no Brett hits, but is still my favorite inning in that game, on account of the names and events.)

 

Notable names: The list includes two Hall of Famers doing it two years apart at the Yankees’ keystone: Tony Lazzeri (1936, near the end of his career) and Joe Gordon (100th game of his debut season). Lazzeri did it in his AL-record 11-RBI game, collecting 3 HRs and a triple — one of 6 such games, most recently by Ryan Braun last April 30. It was Lazzeri’s second 3-HR game, the first coming nine years earlier in a game he split between 3B and SS.

  • Gordon was the main #8 hitter for the 1938 Yankees. That spot produced 112 RBI and 61 extra-base hits; all six spots from #3 through #8 generated at least 103 RBI and 56 XBH. Five players on that ’38 team hit at least 20 HRs, the first club with more than three such. Gordon’s 4-XBH burst was in a 7-4 win, matching the fewest runs scored in these 11 contests.
  • Another likely HOFer is Miguel Cabrera, who did it in his 11th game (4th-fastest for any batting order position). It’s well remembered that Miggy hit a walk-off HR in his debut, but less so the fact that hits were hard to come by in his first MLB month (.217 in 23 games), partly why he stayed mainly in the 8-hole. Thanks to the blowout nature of his big game, each of Cabrera’s 4 XBH came off a different pitcher, starting with a tiebreaking HR on the first pitch he ever saw from Mike Hampton.

 

Rarities: Freddie Patek did it with 3 HRs in his last year as a regular (as a member of the Angels, not the Royals). Freddie had hit 37 HRs in 1,582 prior games, never more than one a game. The Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract states that Patek was the first shortstop ever to hit 3 homers in a game, which isn’t quite right: Freddie was the first ALer, but Ernie Banks had done that twice, in 1955 and ’57.

  • Craig Paquette (not to be confused with Patek) is the only one of these 11 to do it in a loss, the last of Detroit’s 11-game skid to start the 2002 season. (And to think, even worse days were ahead.)
  • After Lazzeri in ’38, it didn’t happen again until Jim Mason in 1974. Five of the 11 came since 2000, including…
  • Doug Mirabelli was the first NLer in 2000, a game started by Joe Nathan (on Doug’s side) and finished by infielder Tim Bogar, who surrendered Mirabelli’s 3rd double.

 

Their next-best: The second-best XBH game of these players’ careers:

  • 4 — Cabrera (one other time)
  • 3 — Lazzeri, Gordon, Patek (a cycle!), Haselman,
  • 2 — Mason, R.Miller, Mirabelli, Paquette, D.Miller
  • 1 — Lough

 

Positions: Lough was the first to do it as a right fielder, making seven positions represented on the list (counting Cabrera at LF, where he finished his game). Our lineup still needs a first baseman (Babe Dahlgren had the most PAs batting 8th, by more than 3-1 over the immortal Dutch Schliebner); a DH, if you like (Jeremy Giambi the leader in 8th-place PAs); and a hurler.

  • Only one pitcher is known to have had 4 extra-baggers in one contest, and he batted cleanup — and took the loss, on a 10th-inning walk-off RBI by another good-hitting pitcher.

 

Runs scored: The most scored by these 11 eighth-place hitters was 4, by Lough and three others. The fewest runs was 1, by Damian Miller, scoring only on his HR. He was stranded on three 1-out doubles, but no one complained about Dave Bush‘s poor hitting since he twirled a 4-hit shutout.

  • 5 runs is extremely rare for a #8 hitter: There are only 4 such games, including the 30-3 rout from 2007 (with the #7-9 hitters tallying 14 runs). Another was a Larry Parrish 3-HR, “5-5-5-5” game in 1977 — one of his three 3-HR games for the Expos (he had another with Texas). Parrish is the only Expo/Nat with more than one of those. My favorite, though, is this Walt Weiss effort: he scored 5 of the 10 Rockies runs (in San Diego), going 4-4 plus a walk, and snapping a 219-game HR drought that had reached almost 900 PAs.

 

Postscript: Here’s the only game where teammates each had 4 XBH, which is also the only game where five teammates had 4 hits or more. (And none of them had a cycle!)

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Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
10 years ago

Not to mention Johnny Giavotolla fresh up from Omaha made his 2013 debut batting 9th in the order and went 3 for 4. I saw the Royals play the Braves last week and it was a fantastic game and a large crowd for a Tuesday. It was the first time ever Atlanta played in KC and there were tons of Braves fans at the game. I’ve seen the Yankees play at Kauffman before and even they didn’t have as many fans as the Braves did that night. I notice that many Braves fans are overweight, as are a number of… Read more »

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Not sure JA, but I do know Kauffman is a great place to watch a game. Don’t know if you’ve ever been there, but for $7-10 on most weeknights you can get a ticket on the upper deck. They let you sit anywhere you want in the upper deck and if you get behind home plate and just little towards 1st or 3rd it really is a great view of the game. I was looking right down into the Royals dugout and could see the great George Brett telling Ned Yost what an idiot he is.

RJ
RJ
10 years ago
Reply to  Timmy Pea

The first baseball game I ever saw was at Kauffman. I had no idea what was going on.

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
10 years ago
Reply to  RJ

Are you from some other country that is not in the far east or Latin America?

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Yeah it is probably the Schuerholz thing. Of course Drayton Moore is s Braves guy coming back the other way. Some players of note who played for both teams: Gene Garber (pitched a little for the Royals in the early 70s, closer on the 1982 Braves playoff team and then came back and finished his career in KC with 39 appearanceds in 1987 and 1988); Orlando Cepeda (1B for the Braves 1969 plsyoff team, finished career with Royals in 1974); Al Hrabosky (the Mad Hungarian was most famous for pitching for the other Missouri team, but his last two ML… Read more »

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

First big trade between the teams that I think of was Michael Tucker and Keith Lockhart going to Atlanta for Jermaine Dye in between the 1996 and 1997 seasons. Terry Pendleton finished his career with the Royals in 1998 after many years with the Braves including an MVP in 1991’s pennant winning season. Paul Byrd won 17 games with the Royals in 2002 and was the loser in Game 3 of the NLDS against the Astros in 2004 with the Braves. Reggie Sanders played for the Braves in 2000 and the Royals in 2006-7. Drayton Moore became the Royals GM… Read more »

Doug
Doug
10 years ago
Reply to  Brent

So, this is Kansas City-Atlanta shuttle, instead of Kansas City-New York.

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Yeah, but mostly, unlike the A’s and Yankees, it is simply the Royals taking Braves rejects, rather sending the Braves useful players in return for said rejects. I think the Royals are doing better than the A’s did, at this point.

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago

Your postscript game included one of the few pitchers whose bat might actually have produced 4 XBHs. That year he batted .361, and he hit .359, .305, and .300 in other seasons. Wes Ferrell was the best, but Don Newcombe could handle the lumber too.

Doug
Doug
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Vangilder and Urban Shocker were the aces of the 1922 Browns squad that almost won the AL pennant. Vangilder saved his best for the September chase with 5-2, 2.05 and 4 CG while batting .458/.458/.792 with 11 hits in 24 AB incl. a homer, 3 doubles and a triple. Shocker and Vangilder are two of just 7 pitchers with 1500 IP for the Browns. Shocker is the all-time Browns’ leader in Wins (126) and W-L% (.612, min. 50 decisions). He won 20 in four straight seasons among his eight years in St. Louis; no other Brownie won 20 more than… Read more »

Doug
Doug
10 years ago

Nice find on the 1958 Dodger-Giant game.

In addition to the stats you mentioned, I like these ones:
– 103 batters faced
– 9 innings
– 9 pitchers
– 3 hours, 16 minutes

Don’t make games like that anymore.

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

A game for the ages for Willie Mays too. Two-run homers off Don Newcombe in the first and second, two triples later in the game, and a walk against reliever Sandy Koufax. Just to rub it in, he singled in the fifth and, with an 11-7 lead, stole second and was caught stealing third, right before Cepeda homered.

.419 WPA despite the CS.

DaveR
DaveR
10 years ago

Lazzeri’s game, which featured 16 walks by Athletic pitching, STILL lasted just over two and a half hours. Incredible! Red Sox-Yankee games, no matter WHAT the score, last over 3.

DaveKingman
DaveKingman
10 years ago
Reply to  DaveR

That 2:34 time is fascinating.

And an attendance of 8,000! I love cruising through attendance figures of Depression-era games, when the OPS of the players (Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg) often approached the number of people in the stands.

Darien
10 years ago

Oh, you’re not wrong — Joe Zdeb is a WONDERFUL name! Amos Otis is always a favourite, too. It’s just too bad U.L. Washington didn’t get into that inning, or we’d have had an awesome-name triple.

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  Darien

Pretty sure he also is amused by the hitter just prior to Zdeb in the batting order. (Peter Marshall’s step son)

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Not to mention WS hero Darold Knowles, future Cy Young winners Steve Stone and Bruce Sutter, and the lesser half of the Reuschel brothers, Paul.

Jimbo
Jimbo
10 years ago

Looking at that Delgado 4 homer game. It’s amazing that blue jays team was 84-75, their lineup looks quite weak. I guess they did have the best hitter in the AL that year.

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Jimbo

I remember sitting in the left field seats at Fenway Park that day. At some point, the scoreboard showed the day’s homers. I thought this might be an error on the part of some out-of-town stringer:

C. Delgado – TOR (38)
C. Delgado – TOR (39)
C. Delgado – TOR (40)
C. Delgado – TOR (41)

Jimbo
Jimbo
10 years ago

And wow, that bottom of the 12th was amazing. 1 hit, 1 error, 1 stolen base, and 3 walks (2 intentional) resulting in no runs.

Evil Squirrel
10 years ago

Craig Paquette finally gets his due on a HHS blog post!

While I honestly wasn’t expecting to see Paquette’s name, the first player I thought of as being on that list was Carlos Pena, who batted out of his head from the 8th spot in a game I saw, but it turns out he only had 3 XBH in that game….

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200405270.shtml

Mike L
Mike L
10 years ago

I just noticed that our own John Autin is about to become Mr. 4000 in comments. John A, appreciation for interesting and thoughtful posts and incisive comments. And doing it all with the passion of a fan. Clearly, not a compiler.

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago

Having Lazzeri and Gordon on the list brings up the subject—in my mind— of the 1936-1939 Yankees, who dominated their league and baseball like no team before or since but don’t get much mention now, as a team. Dimaggio’s rise and Gehrig’s decline seem the big stories, but to me the quality of the secondary players who came, went or endured through the stretch is pretty amazing: Besides Lazzeri and Gordon, there were Red Rolfe, George Selkirk, Ben Chapman, Tommy Heinrich, Charlie Keller, as well as the top quality catching of Dickey and the pitching led by Gomez and Ruffing.… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

JA: Perhaps it’s just an impression of mine, but the Yankees of Ruth, the Stengel era, the Torre teams—these all seem to receive more attention—as teams. And of course there are non-Yankee teams like the Robinson-Campanella-Snider et al Dodgers, the Jackson-Hunter-Bando-et al Oakland team, and the Big Red Machine that have been chronicled extensively. And while Neyer and Epstein may have cited the 1939 team as the best, how many even well-informed followers of the game put it ahead of the ’27, ’61, or ’98 squads, much less other single season teams of note from other franchises that have a… Read more »

Brent
Brent
10 years ago

Your favorite inning of that George Brett game preceded my favorite inning of all time in Royals history (non post season category) by just 18 days, which is the top of the 9th in this beauty against the Brewers: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL197906150.shtml The 8 run burst in the top of the 9th was heard by yours truly while lying in bed on my radio, as it was past my bedtime (my mom was pretty strict on those, even though this game was on a Friday). it is the reason that I refuse to believe a game is ever over until truly the… Read more »