A Strange Tale of 2000 Hits

Reds owner Marge Schott with manager Pete Rose, circa 1985

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Before I regale you with my strange tale (and explain the selection of the photo at the left), let me set the stage a bit. Some may recall a B-R Blog post last year on the unusual circumstance of 4 players having 2500 or more hits appearing in the same game. In the game-searchable era, this has happened involving only two different sets of players.

The table below shows the active leaders in career Hits at the end of the 1926 season, and the only guys above or near the 2500 mark.

Rk Player H G PA AB R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Ty Cobb 3900 2806 12110 10591 2088 665 284 111 1805 1148 652 .368 .434 .516 .950 DET
2 Tris Speaker 3292 2585 11179 9481 1783 727 214 112 1426 1316 382 .347 .432 .504 .936 BOS-CLE
3 Eddie Collins 3228 2682 11703 9681 1767 423 186 46 1278 1437 455 .333 .424 .430 .853 PHA-CHW
4 Zack Wheat 2804 2322 9721 8859 1255 464 171 131 1210 632 567 .317 .367 .452 .819 BRO
5 Max Carey 2442 2205 9768 8506 1432 378 149 67 726 926 651 .287 .362 .390 .752 PIT-BRO
6 Stuffy McInnis 2405 2128 8631 7822 872 312 101 20 1062 380 251 .307 .343 .381 .723 PHA-BOS-CLE-BSN-PIT
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Generated 3/8/2012.

As you can see, all were on different teams except Carey and Wheat with Brooklyn. That is, until Connie Mack started stocking his As with some proven veterans (to say the least). By the time the 1927 season rolled around, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins and Zack Wheat (and their 119 years combined age) were all sporting pachyderms on their shoulders, and Tris Speaker was in Washington. So, the stage was set for the As and Senators to hook up with all four in the same game. And it happened 5 times that year – April 16th, 18th and 29th, June 22nd (1st game), and August 31st.

As a postscript to that 1927 season, Wheat retired after his one season in Philadelphia, and was replaced in the As outfield by … Tris Speaker. So, for that one season of 1928, the top 3 active leaders in career hits were all on the same team, something I strongly suspect has not happened since (the Indians had the top two in 1995).

Fast forward a mere 83 years and, thanks to the miracle of inter-league play, it happened again. Rather more guys on the list of possibilities – which four do you think it was who made it into the same game ?

Rk Player H G PA AB R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Ken Griffey 2763 2638 11196 9703 1656 522 38 630 1829 1303 1762 .285 .371 .541 .912 SEA-CIN-TOT
2 Derek Jeter 2747 2138 9809 8659 1574 438 58 224 1068 885 1466 .317 .388 .459 .847 NYY
3 Ivan Rodriguez 2711 2388 9712 9070 1308 547 50 305 1264 487 1380 .299 .336 .471 .807 TEX-FLA-DET-TOT
4 Omar Vizquel 2704 2742 11277 9922 1378 433 74 78 906 978 1007 .273 .338 .355 .693 SEA-CLE-SFG-TEX
5 Gary Sheffield 2689 2576 10947 9217 1636 467 27 509 1676 1475 1171 .292 .393 .514 .907 MIL-SDP-TOT-FLA-LAD-ATL-NYY-DET-NYM
6 Alex Rodriguez 2531 2166 9611 8304 1683 445 27 583 1706 1060 1738 .305 .390 .576 .965 SEA-TEX-NYY
7 Garret Anderson 2501 2148 9014 8485 1076 516 35 285 1353 424 1190 .295 .326 .465 .790 CAL-ANA-LAA-ATL
8 Manny Ramirez 2494 2207 9437 7962 1506 531 20 546 1788 1283 1748 .313 .411 .591 1.002 CLE-BOS-TOT-LAD
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Generated 3/7/2012.

In fact, it was Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez for the Yankees and Manny Ramirez and Garret Anderson for the Dodgers. Happened twice – June 26th and 27th at Dodger Stadium.

That reprise is by way of introduction to what I’m calling a strange tale of 2000 hits. If there could be a 4×2500 game, how many guys could make it into a game at the 2000 hit level? I think I’ve found the answer, and I think it is a unique occurrence. But, it only happened as a result of a whole bunch of things falling into place. So, here’s my strange tale.

There were a lots of guys at or near the 2000 hit level as the 1985 season began. Take a look.

Rk Player H G PA AB R 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Pete Rose 4097 3371 15117 13411 2090 726 131 158 1243 1450 1077 .305 .376 .415 .790 CIN-PHI-TOT
2 Rod Carew 2929 2342 10032 8872 1355 428 109 90 976 954 981 .330 .394 .433 .828 MIN-CAL
3 Rusty Staub 2704 2897 11174 9675 1187 496 47 291 1458 1245 884 .279 .362 .431 .793 HOU-MON-NYM-DET-TOT-TEX
4 Al Oliver 2676 2272 9498 8783 1168 518 76 214 1295 523 732 .305 .346 .454 .800 PIT-TEX-MON-TOT
5 Tony Perez 2621 2628 10426 9395 1233 485 78 371 1590 878 1820 .279 .340 .466 .806 CIN-MON-BOS-PHI
6 Joe Morgan 2517 2649 11329 9277 1650 449 96 268 1133 1865 1015 .271 .392 .427 .819 HOU-CIN-SFG-PHI-OAK
7 Reggie Jackson 2293 2430 9986 8649 1380 410 46 503 1516 1172 2247 .265 .356 .498 .854 KCA-OAK-BAL-NYY-CAL
8 Steve Garvey 2257 1988 8105 7548 1000 382 37 233 1137 420 854 .299 .335 .452 .787 LAD-SDP
9 Ted Simmons 2226 2086 8626 7741 974 436 45 226 1247 750 616 .288 .350 .443 .793 STL-MIL
10 Larry Bowa 2141 2161 8875 8204 972 255 95 15 510 461 547 .261 .300 .321 .621 PHI-CHC
11 Bill Buckner 2095 1861 7596 7122 846 377 41 130 860 332 334 .294 .326 .413 .739 LAD-CHC-TOT
12 Chris Chambliss 2031 1976 7985 7278 883 377 42 180 937 599 879 .279 .334 .417 .750 CLE-TOT-NYY-ATL
15 Buddy Bell 1987 1827 7680 6940 896 335 45 147 850 592 598 .286 .342 .411 .753 CLE-TEX
16 Cesar Cedeno 1983 1858 7719 6936 1041 418 58 190 921 633 883 .286 .347 .445 .792 HOU-CIN
17 Graig Nettles 1980 2245 9008 7922 1070 284 26 353 1151 944 1044 .250 .330 .426 .756 MIN-CLE-NYY-SDP
18 Dave Concepcion 1976 2055 8148 7376 849 333 44 90 831 614 1029 .268 .323 .362 .684 CIN
19 Hal McRae 1928 1842 7354 6588 872 448 66 169 981 581 694 .293 .353 .458 .811 CIN-KCR
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Generated 3/8/2012.

The 1985 Reds began the season with Pete Rose and Tony Perez past the 2000 hit mark and Dave Concepcion and Cesar Cedeno getting close. Cedeno reached 2000 on April 28th against San Francisco and Concepcion joined the club 13 days later against Houston. Meanwhile, in Texas, Buddy Bell also reached 2000 hits on Apr 26th against Toronto. When Bell joined the Reds on July 19th, the Reds now had 5 players in uniform at the 2000 hit mark. But, could all of them get in the same game against an opponent with other 2000 hit club members?

As it happened, Cedeno would be traded to the Cardinals on Aug 29th, so the window of opportunity narrowed. In fact, from the time of Bell’s arrival to Cedeno’s departure, all 5 of the 2000 hit players appeared together in just one game. That was on August 15th against the Padres with Steve Garvey and Graig Nettles. Garvey was well past 2000 hits, and Nettles had reached that mark earlier in the year, in a 4-hit game against Steve Rogers and the Expos on May 19th.  But, that’s not the end of the story. Some unusual happenings were required to get all 7 players into that Aug 15th game.

Rose, Bell and Concepcion for the Reds and Garvey and Nettles for the Padres were starters in the finale of a 4 game set, in front of just under 20,000 at Jack Murphy Stadium. The Reds got off to a quick 2-0 lead on a 1st inning Dave Parker homer off of Eric Show, but Show and Reds starter Andy McGaffigan duelled each other after that through scoreless frames until the Reds chased Show with 2 more runs in the 8th  on a run-scoring triple and following steal of home by Eddie Milner. It was the bottom of the ninth, Cedeno and Perez were still on the bench, and the Reds looked to be home and dry with a 4-0 lead. Or, maybe not.

McGaffigan, bidding for his first career shutout, started the 9th but allowed a walk and a single to Gary Templeton and Tony Gwynn. Exit McGaffigan. Closer Ted Power came in for the save, but promptly threw a wild one moving both runners up. Templeton scored on a Steve Garvey sac fly, but Power then retired catcher Terry Kennedy and the Padres were down to their final out. But that was a close as Power would come. Doubles by Graig Nettles and Carmelo Martinez, and a single by Kevin McReynolds tied the game, and a following walk to Tim Flannery ended Power’s outing. John Franco came on to induce a Jerry Royster groundout to finally put out the fire.

So, on we go to the 10th inning. Ron Oester led off with a single and was sacrificed to second. Manager Pete Rose brought in Cedeno to pinch-hit for 8th inning hero Eddie Milner. Cedeno could only manage a bouncer to 1st base that moved up Oester. With 2 outs, Rose came up next and was intentionally walked (you can hear the alarm bells, can’t you?) to bring up Max Venable. Manager Rose went again to his bench and Tony Perez delivered a pinch-hit RBI single for the go-ahead run. As in the 9th, Templeton and Gwynn led off the home 10th and again both reached base. Templeton would get to 3rd  but no further as Joe Price struck out Terry Kennedy to seal the Reds victory.

So, now you know the rest of the story. Seven guys with 2000 hits in the same game.

Since then, six 2000 hits players have made it into one game, on these occasions (and possibly others). I’ll let those interested figure out who those players were.

Postscript #1:  the 1986 Reds again had Rose, Perez, Bell and Concepcion active. Dave Parker joined the 2000 hit club on Sep 7 against Greg Maddux and the Cubs (Parker was scorching hot, going 8 for 11 in that series). Alas, Rose had played his last game 3 weeks before, so there would not be a repeat of the 1985 feat.

Postcript #2:  How many times has a guy in his age 44 season or older been walked intentionally?

Rk Player IBB From To Age G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Julio Franco 13 2003 2007 44-48 486 1134 1005 117 286 55 6 23 172 115 240 .285 .357 .420 .777 ATL-NYM-TOT
2 Carlton Fisk 5 1992 1993 44-45 87 272 241 14 53 4 1 4 25 25 49 .220 .295 .295 .590 CHW
3 Pete Rose 5 1985 1986 44-45 191 773 642 75 159 20 4 2 71 116 66 .248 .367 .301 .668 CIN
4 Tony Perez 2 1986 1986 44-44 77 228 200 14 51 12 1 2 29 25 25 .255 .333 .355 .688 CIN
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Generated 3/7/2012.

I’ll give Julio his props, but isn’t that about 12 times too many for the other guys?

 

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Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago

This reminds me of a related question – the most HOFers appearing in the same game. I first thought of the 1927 A’s/ Yankees:

A’s: Cochran, Simmons, Cobb, Collins, Wheat, Foxx, Grove, Mack (manager)
Yankees: Gehrig, Lazzeri, Combs, Ruth, Hoyt, Pennock, Huggins (manager)

I think the 1928 A’s/Yankees would be the same, except Wheat is swapped for Speaker.

Sorry, I’m not up to researching in which actual games the most of these players actually appeared.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

On May 24, 1928 in the first game of a double-headeretween the Yankees and A’s the following players participated: Combs, Durocher, Ruth, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Hoyt, Cobb, Speaker, Cochrane, Simmons, Collins, Grove and Foxx. Also present but not playing were Pennock, Coveleski, Huggins and Mack. Also participating, but not as players, were umpires Tom Connolly and Bill McGowan.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago

Nice going. I missed Durocher and Coveleski; serves me right, for not checking the 1928 Yankees roster after making the Speaker comment. I see Bill Dickey is also listed, but he didn’t come up until August 15th (it was his rookie year).

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

Just looking at games between the ’27 and ’28 Yankees and A’s this one seems to have the most:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHA/PHA192805241.shtml

Yankees started Combs, Durocher, Ruth, Gehrig, and Lazzeri with Hoyt pitching in relief.

A’s started Cobb, Speaker, Cochrane, and Grove with Simmons, Collins, and Foxx pinch hitting.

That’s 13 HOFers though Durocher’s in as a manager, not a player. Plus Mack and Huggins as managers.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Beaten by 5 minutes!!!

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

I had you in my mind as I was typing my blog. Leaving out first names quickened the process. I retrieved the list from the Charlton Chronology.

no statistician but
no statistician but
12 years ago
Reply to  Doug

By my count, which might be off, going from memory, the 1934 all star game had 27 HOF players in the game, plus both managers.

No time to enumerate but here is the box score,:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NLS/NLS193407100.shtml

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago

Love this kind of stuff. Now I’m going to waste the next couple of hours on B-R mining for some little gem- most career triples in a starting line-up? Games where players from North Dakota faced each other? Pick an All-Time team for players only active between 1943 & 1945?

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

“most career triples in a starting line-up” –

I’d start with the Cobb/ Crawford/ Veach/ Heilmann Detroit Tigers (1916-1917) – 902 triples from only four lineup spots!

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

… And the 1927 A’s (here we go again) have Cobb/ Speaker/ Eddie Collins/ Al Simmons/ Jimmie Foxx with 978. I’m not sure how often they all started in the same game, as only Cobb and Simmons were regulars.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

Speaker played for the Senators in 1927, not the A’s.

On 6/7/28 Cobb, Speaker, Simmons and Foxx were starters and Collins pinch-hit.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago

Richard,

Sorry, I meant Zack Wheat (172 3Bs) instead of Speaker.

For 06/07/28, that’s still career 791 triples from those four players.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

Darin Erstad and Rick Helling (both from ND) squared off quite a bit (40 PAs) with Helling getting the best of the matchup. Erstad’s slash line was .189/.250/.324. Travis Hafner also faced Helling 6 times with results of .200/.333/.400.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Erstad holds the records for most base hits (1697) and most HRs (124) for a player born in North Dakota.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago

But in a perfect world Floyd Stromme from Cooperstown, ND would have been another Bob Feller & ended his career in Cooperstown, NY instead of settling for a decent one in the high minors.

And the Tigers were exactly who I had in mind with the comment about triples. Good catch on the 27 A’s.

Fun stuff.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago

Travis Hafner (189) has a few more home runs than Erstad.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

My reference book is in error.

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
12 years ago

1916 Detroit Tigers, 2 men with 2100 plus hits, 3 future HoFersin the outfield including one Wahoo Sam Crawford who was born and raised in Wahoo, Nebraska, and died in the California desert.