Chat here for World Series, Game 2

And here are a few items of pointless drivel to contemplate during the breaks.


Michael Wacha is the 7th-youngest pitcher to start Game 2 of a World Series. This table shows the 11 Game 2 starters under age 23; the IP and GS columns are their career regular-season totals of innings and starts at the time of the game in question. Wacha is the most inexperienced, with only Mel Stottlemyre also lacking at least one full season’s work.

Rk Player Age Date IP GS Tm Opp Rslt App,Dec IP H R ER BB SO HR
1 Jim Palmer 20.356 1966-10-06 300 36 BAL LAD W 6-0 SHO9 ,W 9.0 4 0 0 3 6 0
2 Chief Bender 21.158 1905-10-10 703 76 PHA NYG W 3-0 SHO9 ,W 9.0 4 0 0 3 9 0
3 Babe Ruth 21.246 1916-10-09 564 71 BOS BRO W 2-1 CG 14 ,W 14.0 6 1 1 3 4 1
4 Dwight Gooden 21.337 1986-10-19 745 99 NYM BOS L 3-9 GS-5 ,L 5.0 8 6 5 2 6 2
5 Waite Hoyt 22.027 1921-10-06 775 85 NYY NYG W 3-0 SHO9 ,W 9.0 2 0 0 5 5 0
6 Al Downing 22.097 1963-10-03 186 23 NYY LAD L 1-4 GS-5 ,L 5.0 7 3 3 1 6 1
7 Michael Wacha 22.115 2013-10-24 65 9 STL BOS ??? GS
8 Bill James 22.212 1914-10-10 468 51 BSN PHA W 1-0 SHO9 ,W 9.0 2 0 0 3 8 0
9 Ross Grimsley 22.282 1972-10-15 359 54 CIN OAK L 1-2 GS-5 ,L 5.0 6 2 2 0 1 1
10 Hal Schumacher 22.315 1933-10-04 378 48 NYG WSH W 6-1 CG 9 ,W 9.0 5 1 1 4 2 1
11 Mel Stottlemyre 22.330 1964-10-08 96 12 NYY STL W 8-3 CG 9 ,W 9.0 7 3 3 2 4 0
Provided by View Play Index Tool Used / Generated 10/24/2013.


Mike Napoli in hitter’s counts this year, including postseason:

  • Totals: 32 for 69 (.464 BA), 7 HRs, 8 doubles, .884 SLG.
  • 2-0 count: 7-13, 3 HRs, 3 doubles.
  • 3-0 count: 2-3, 2 HRs.
  • 2-1 count: 9-23, 2 doubles.
  • 3-1 count: 14-30, 2 HRs, 3 doubles.


Lastly, for no particular reason, the fewest career wins for a World Series Game 1 starter … because, where have you gone, Anthony Reyes? You beat my Tigers, and that was about the last good thing that happened for you in baseball.
(This is total career wins, not wins up to that Game 1 start.)

Player Age Date Tm Opp Rslt App,Dec IP H R ER BB SO HR Pit Str GSc
13 Anthony Reyes 25.005 2006-10-21 STL DET W 7-2 GS-9 ,W 8.0 4 2 2 1 4 1 91 67 69
30 Joe Black 28.236 1952-10-01 BRO NYY W 4-2 CG 9 ,W 9.0 6 2 2 2 6 1 71
34 Jose Santiago 27.050 1967-10-04 BOS STL L 1-2 GS-7 ,L 7.0 10 2 2 3 5 0 51
40 Mark Thurmond 28.027 1984-10-09 SDP DET L 2-3 GS-5 ,L 5.0 7 3 3 3 2 1 117 66 40
50 Mule Watson 26.360 1923-10-10 NYG NYY W 5-4 GS-2 2.0 4 3 3 1 1 0 36
56 Spec Shea 26.363 1947-09-30 NYY BRO W 5-3 GS-5 ,W 5.0 2 1 1 2 3 0 60
57 Joe Magrane 23.107 1987-10-17 STL MIN L 1-10 GS-4 ,L 3.0 4 5 5 4 1 0 59 30 28
65 Ernie Shore 24.198 1915-10-08 BOS PHI L 1-3 CG 8 ,L 8.0 5 3 3 4 2 0 58
65 Ernie Shore 25.197 1916-10-07 BOS BRO W 6-5 GS-9 ,W 8.2 9 5 3 3 5 0 52
66 Jim Konstanty 33.216 1950-10-04 PHI NYY L 0-1 GS-8 ,L 8.0 4 1 1 4 0 0 66
69 Scott Garrelts 27.349 1989-10-14 SFG OAK L 0-5 GS-4 ,L 4.0 7 5 4 1 5 2 76 47 34
Provided by View Play Index Tool Used / Generated 10/24/2013.

40 thoughts on “Chat here for World Series, Game 2

  1. 1
    birtelcom says:

    Longest team World Series game winning streaks:
    1. Yankees (1996-2000), 14 wins in a row
    2. Yankees (1927-1932), 12 wins in a row
    3. Yankees (1937-1941), 10 wins in a row
    T4. Red Sox (2004-current) and Reds (1975-1990), 9 wins in a row

    • 11
      John Autin says:

      birtelcom, thanks for that timely notice. 🙂

    • 14
      donburgh says:

      Couldn’t the Reds streak be listed as (1975-present)?

      • 15
        birtelcom says:

        True dat. The Reds haven’t been to the Series in 23 years, but they also haven’t lost a Series game since Carlton Fisk hit that body English homer, which I watched on TV with some Boston fans in my college dorm lounge.

      • 31
        Doug says:

        Same for the Braves. They have the longest active WS losing streak at 8 games, and could break a tie with the Phillies in Atlanta’s next trip to the Classic.

        The Phillies were swept in consecutive WS appearances that were only 35 years apart. But, that’s better than the Indians who had a 6-game WS losing streak that spanned 41 years.

  2. 2
    John Autin says:

    Only 3 games in WS history have featured scoreless work by both starters:
    — 1991, Game 7, Morris (9) and Smoltz (7.1)
    — 1995, Game 6, Glavine (8) and D.Martinez (4.2)
    — 2005, Game 4, F.Garcia (7) and Backe (7)

    In the live-ball era, the only Game 2 with a 70+ Game Score by both starters was 1969, Koosman over McNally.

    • 3
      John Autin says:

      If there are any Cards fans out there … I held off posting that until after the Sox were out in the 3rd. 🙂

  3. 4
    Richard Chester says:

    On tonight’s game they quickly posted a list, I think, of longest number of days between WS starts. Did anyone catch all of the names, there were only a few? Lackey was one.

    • 5
      John Autin says:

      Richard, I didn’t see that feature, but here’s what I make out for longest spans between World Series starts:

      1) 5,853 days — Dennis Martinez
      2) 4,755 days — Steve Carlton
      3) 4,750 days — Roger Clemens
      4) 4,015 days — John Lackey
      5) 4,010 days — Pete Alexander
      6) 3,656 days — Al Downing
      7) 3,651 days — Kenny Rogers
      8) 3,641 days — Burleigh Grimes
      9) 3,282 days — Warren Spahn
      10) 2,929 days — Bert Blyleven

      (Obtained via P-I and Excel.)

  4. 8
    John Autin says:

    Big Papi’s HR was just the second behind-to-ahead HR HIT in Red Sox WS history.

    The first was in 1916, Game 4, by Larry Gardner off Rube Marquard — a 3-run, inside-the-park HR in Ebbets Field:

    Gardner hit just 2 in that regular season, but he homered in consecutive WS games.

    • 20
      James Smyth says:

      This got me to check out trailing-to-leading plate appearances in the World Series. Last night had two in the sixth inning or later (Ortiz HR and Carpenter’s sac fly/errors). It’s only the third WS game to feature two of these plays at that late stage.

      Game 1 – 1908
      Cubs up 5-4 in the bottom of the 8th, but Ty Cobb’s at 1st and Wahoo Sam Crawford is at 3rd with 0 outs. Claude Rossman singles to tie the game, and when 2B Johnny Evers gets the relay he tries to throw out Cobb going from 1st to 3rd. Throw gets away, Cobb scores and Detroit has the lead. The Cubs rally in the ninth, with Solly Hofman’s bases-loaded single turning the 6-5 deficit into a 7-6 lead. Chicago adds three more to win 10-6 en route to a 4-1 series victory.

      Game 7 – 1960
      Pirates lead 4-2 in the top of the 6th, but Yogi Berra hits a three-run homer off Roy Face to make it 5-4 NY. They were up 7-4 in the 8th, but Pittsburgh rallied for five runs, taking the lead on Hal Smith’s three-run dinger. Looking at the PBP of this game, you see how absolutely nuts it was, in Game Seven!

  5. 9
    John Autin says:

    Mamas, don’t let your pitchers make throws in the Series!

    Cryin’ shame that those 2 runs are charged to Lackey. (cough)

  6. 10
    Voomo Zanzibar says:

    Trevor Rosenthal.
    Just added a perfect inning to this postseason resume.
    Look out Mo:

    • 12
      John Autin says:

      “Wow” is right. Rosenthal now ranks 9th with 14 consecutive scoreless relief outings in the postseason. By innings, his 16.2 scoreless IP is 5th-longest for a reliever in the postseason, after Mo (33.1), Papelbon (26), Ken Dayley (20.1) and Chad Bradford (18.1).

      • 18
        Daniel Longmire says:

        Lost in this discussion (and the narrative of this Series so far) is the work put in by Koji Uehara this post-season: 10 IP, 5 H, 1 ER (that game-losing home run in Tampa), 13 K, and NO walks.

        Since September 6th, his numbers become even more mind-boggling: 21 IP, 9 H, 0.86 ERA, 27 K, and STILL no walks!

  7. 13
    John Autin says:

    Three of Wacha’s four postseason starts have been followed by (only) Carlos Martinez and Trevor Rosenthal. In the other one, lefties Siegrist and Choate each faced one batter before Martinez & Rosenthal brought it home.

  8. 17
    John Autin says:

    I could be wrong on this, but it seems that there are now 3 World Series sac flies on which 2 runs scored (including subsequent errors). And all 3 were hit by the Cards:

    1982, Game 4, 2nd inning — Tommy Herr hit a deep fly ball to Gorman Thomas, who stumbled after the catch, and Willie McGee and Ozzie Smith both scored.

    2004, Game 1, 4th inning — Mike Matheny flied to RF, scoring Jim Edmonds. 1B Kevin Millar cut Trot Nixon’s throw and then threw wildly to 3rd, letting Reggie Sanders score, and sending Tony Womack to 3rd, whence he scored on a groundout. That was the game when St. Louis ultimately rallied to tie from 5 runs down, but still lost.

    BTW, Matheny had 2 sac flies in that game, one of 5 such games in WS history. Mike Napoli had one of those games, in 2011.

  9. 19
    birtelcom says:

    Yadier has now been the starting catcher in nine World Series game wins. The most starts as a catcher, other than for the Yankees, in World Series game victories:
    Mickey Cochrane 18
    Roy Campanella 13
    Johnny Bench and John Roseboro 12
    Tim McCarver 11
    Johnny Kling and Jimmy Wilson 10
    Yadier Molina, Frank Snyder and Walker Cooper 9

    Molina is hoping to be, sometime next week, the starting catcher in his third World Series-clinching win. Cochrane and Roseboro are to date the only non-Yankees to start at catcher in three WS-clinching wins. Dickey and Berra each had seven such starts as Yankees, Posada had three for the Yankees, and Wally Schang had one each for the A’s, Red Sox and Yankees.

  10. 21
    Yippeeyappee says:

    John Autin, are Mike Napoli’s at-bats counted twice if he had a 2-0 count that subsequently went to 2-1?

    Sure glad the Jays were able to get 17 saves from Frank Francisco after they acquired him for Napoli.

  11. 24
    Jimbo says:

    Fun WS fact that will get lost in history. The “home run” that Beltran “robbed” Ortiz of, would’ve tied Ortiz with Beltran at 16 post season home runs.

    Didn’t bother Ortiz much, as within about 24 hours he had tied Beltran and passed him.

  12. 25
    birtelcom says:

    Most total WPA for a hitter over the 2013 post-season so far:
    1. Carlos Beltran 1.490
    2. David Ortiz .866
    3. Jacoby Ellsbury .615
    4. Carl Crawford .550
    5. Pedro Alvarez .540
    6. Victor Martinez .492
    7. Marlon Byrd .491
    8. Yoenis Cespedes .482
    9. Jose Lobaton .450
    10. Chris Johnson .394

    Stephen Drew -.879
    Omar Infante -.711
    Michael Young -.615

    • 26
      birtelcom says:

      Beltran is now at 2.727 post-season WPA for his career. Pete Rose, who Adam Darowski had as the all-time leader in post-season hitter WAR in a post at Beyond the Box Score two years ago, finished at 2.640 according to b-ref.

      B-ref does not make it easy to calculate these numbers, but it looks like it may be that Beltran is currently the all-time leader in career post-season hitter WPA. Of course, this sort of WPA total can change dramatically in a single game.

  13. 27
    John Autin says:

    Since 1947, an African-American regular has appeared in all but the following World Series, if I’m not mistaken:
    — 1950, Yankees-Phillies
    — 2007, Red Sox-Rockies
    — 2010, Giants-Rangers
    — 2011, Cardinals-Rangers (Edwin Jackson started once for STL)
    — 2013, Cardinals-Red Sox

    In 1950, both teams still practiced segregation.

    In 2007, Coco Crisp was a regular all year for Boston, but he slumped in the playoffs (maybe injured, too?) and didn’t start any WS game, getting just a couple ABs off the bench. LaTroy Hawkins pitched twice in relief.

    In 2010, 2011 and 2013, neither team had an African-American in the regular lineup or the rotation. Darren Oliver relieved twice in the 2010 Series. Oliver and Arthur Rhodes each relieved thrice in the 2011 Series, and Edwin Jackson started a game.

    In 2013, I believe that Quintin Berry is the only African-American on either WS roster; he hasn’t appeared yet, and he has done nothing but pinch-run in this postseason.

    Just something I noticed.

    • 34
      no statistician but says:


      Here’s something I came across while looking for something else: From 1949 to 1968 the NL MVP selection was an African American 14 times. in the next 40 years AfAms won the NL award about half the time. Since 2007 there have been no AfAm winners in either league. The AL has run far behind in this regard except in the 1969-1978 decade, but it has produced more Hispanic and Hispanic-American MVPs. Don Newcombe won the first CY, but there have been very few AfAm winners since. I’m not clear about Sabathia’s ethic background, but if his heritage is Hispanic American, the last AfAm to win the CY is Gooden in 1985.

  14. 29
    John Autin says:

    All the talk of postseason feats by Ortiz and Beltran reminded me of George Brett. Nine of his 10 postseason HRs produced a lead or a tie, all in the WS or LCS — one behind Ruth for that WS/LCS leadership, followed by Jeter’s 8.

  15. 36
    JasonZ says:

    John and NSB, RE: African Americans in MLB

    The lack of recent African American regulars appearing in the WS is reflective of the decline
    in general.

    African Americans in MLB…


    The best African American athletes in America
    no longer play baseball.

    Haven’t for many years.

    They play football and basketball.

    • 37
      no statistician but says:

      Correct, JasonZ. African Americans don’t attend baseball games much either. I vaguely remember reading an article some years ago, at least ten, on the subject, but I don’t recall what social aspects were ascribed to causing the decline.

      I can say this with certainty: kids of all ethnic backgrounds have stopped playing pickup baseball in the parks. In fact, they’ve stopped using parks for much of anything once they’re beyond the playground age that isn’t organized into teams and leagues. We lived across the street from a smallish park in the late 1970s through the 1980s. The neighborhood grade-schoolers using it for ball sports in the open areas dwindled to nothing over that time, coincident with the rise of video games, home computers, and a movement of mass paranoia about letting children play outside unsupervised.

      My mother used to say, “You boys, get out of the house!” when my brother and I were hanging around indoors in the summer, not that that happened a lot. For one thing it wasn’t air conditioned, but mainly we were too busy playing ball—hardball down at the Little League field with whoever else showed up (you hoped for at least six guys, but four were sufficient), softball in a vacant mowed field where the houses were close enough that broken windows had to be allowed for; wiffle ball in the back yard; long-distance catch out in the street; curb ball with a tennis ball. Of course, I’m talking about the 1950s here. Oh, and we played on organized teams too, naturally.

      The old crank is getting nostalgic.

      • 38
        Ed says:

        NSB: I was born in 1969 and my childhood was much like yours (though more backyard football than baseball).

        A year ago I walked through my old childhood neighborhood on a summer Sunday afternoon. I walked block after block after block and I saw a grand total of 2 kids playing outside. Sad….

  16. 39
    JasonZ says:

    Another factor is travel baseball.

    Better have lots of time and money.

    The committment they require is ridiculous.

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