COG Round 94 Results: Frisch shows “flash” of greatness

Frankie Frisch, aka the “Fordham Flash”, wins election to the Circle of Greats in the 94th round of COG balloting. In his first ballot appearance, Frisch was the clear favorite in a crowded field. A complete player, Frisch compiled 140 Rbat and 140 Rfield while stealing over 400 bases, a combination unique among second baseman, and matched only by Barry Bonds and George Davis among players at other positions (Jack Glasscock, with 372 stolen bases, and Bill Dahlen, just a hair below the line for Rbat and Rfield, are the only other players close to this group). Frisch’s career totals exceeding 50 oWAR and 20 dWAR have been matched by only 14 others, none of them second basemen.

More on Frisch after the jump.

Frisch began his career in 1919 when Giant legend Larry Doyle was the incumbent second sacker (Doyle is still the all-time Giants’ leader in games at second base). As a result, Frisch started out as a third baseman, with Frisch and Doyle’s longtime teammate Buck Herzog still the only Giants with 200 career games at both second base and third base. After Doyle’s retirement following the 1920 season, the Giants had Frisch and Johnny Rawlings share the second base job in 1921 and 1922, before moving Frisch there mostly full time in 1923. Despite moving between positions, Frisch compiled two outstanding seasons in 1921 and 1923 with 200 hits, 100 runs and 100 RBI in each, making Frisch the only player to compile such seasons at both second base and third base.

The 1921-24 seasons were the best run of seasons of Frisch’s career, with his 25.8 WAR and 17.9 WAA both second best in the NL for that period, trailing only Rogers Hornsby. That performance helped lead New York to pennants in each of those seasons, still the only four-peat by an NL champion. When Giant fortunes ebbed in 1925 and 1926, so too did Frisch’s performance, in part due to manager John McGraw’s verbal abuse of his team captain, McGraw’s method for sending a message to the team. Frisch, however, found such belittling too much to bear, and bolted the team in the latter part of the 1926 season. He returned to finish out the year but Frisch’s relations with his manager were irreparably damaged, leading to one of baseball’s biggest blockbuster trades when Frisch and Hornsby were swapped following that season.

With a fresh start in St. Louis, Frisch turned in a career best season in 1927 with 9.2 WAR, including a phenomenal 4.4 dWAR, still the best defensive season by a second baseman and ranking in the top 10 seasons for dWAR at any position. Frisch also led the league with 48 stolen bases, his second time doing so with 40+ thefts and 200+ hits (Quiz: who are the two players since Frisch to twice lead their league with 40+ steals while also collecting 200 hits?). Frisch would continue to be a solid contributor for eight more seasons as a Cardinal regular, including an MVP selection in 1931, but would not again post a 5 WAR season.  

Success followed Frisch throughout his career, leading both the Giants and Cardinals to four NL pennants. Frisch’s 50 World Series games are the most by any non-Yankee, and his 10 WS doubles are tied with Yogi Berra for the most ever. Frisch succeeded Cardinals’ manager Gabby Street partway through the 1933 season and led St. Louis to a world championship the following year while also continuing as the Cardinals’ everyday second baseman. That would be the only pennant of Frisch’s managerial career that continued with the Cardinals, Pirates and Cubs after his playing days ended in 1937.

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Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
8 years ago

Sorry for a belated update. Here are the all-time vote standings: Craig Biggio – 763 Eddie Murray – 731 Roberto Alomar – 725 John Smoltz – 658 Kenny Lofton – 608 Ryne Sandberg – 607 *Harmon Killebrew – 541 Edgar Martinez – 507 Lou Whitaker – 493 *Kevin Brown – 408 Whitey Ford – 382 Bobby Grich – 376 Sandy Koufax – 375 Tony Gwynn – 346 Willie McCovey – 336 *Roy Campanella – 334 #Minnie Minoso – 309 *Dennis Eckersley – 302 *Dave Winfield – 294 Juan Marichal – 268 Tom Glavine – 262 Alan Trammell – 239 Mike… Read more »

David Horwich
David Horwich
8 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

Just thought I’d point out that if he doesn’t get elected, Killebrew still has a reasonable shot at passing Biggio for most all-time votes:

He’s 222 votes away from tying Biggio; with at least 24 rounds of voting to go, he needs to average only 9.25 votes a round for the tie. Whatever else happens, he’s almost certainly not going to drop off the ballot, what with his 9 rounds of eligibility stored up.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
8 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

That chance is definitely alive and well. I would say that 700 votes is almost a lock. The only thing that will prevent him from passing Biggio is getting elected. That’s the biggest hurdle he has, and honestly, I think it’s probably coming at some point. Even if he’s like hte 115th person to go in, I think it’s going to happen.

David P
David P
8 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

I know people blame the drop in voting on the website issues. But I imagine there’s also voter fatigue. We’ve been at this a LONG time. And now we’re dealing with players that no one saw in person, so there’s less of an emotional involvement. Nor is there a good way to evaluate them. Goose Goslin…yeah he seems pretty decent, and his WAR is nice but is he really any better than a dozen or so similar players that we’ve rejected? And then there’s the holdover list…personally I find it hard to differentiate between them. And some of them have… Read more »

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
8 years ago
Reply to  David P

I think you’re spot-on in regards to the voting drop. There’s also been a pretty consistent trend (though less pronounced recently) to have more voters in rounds in which there’s a “marquee” player to vote for. I expect more voters this round than the previous ones, for example, simply because Hornsby’s on the ballot. Ditto for next round because of Ruth. Then I imagine we’ll see a drop-off. Most important, though, is the question of how much more there is to say about… I don’t know… Harmon Killebrew, or Luis Tiant, or Kevin Brown. We’ve been talking about these guys… Read more »

David P
David P
8 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

For me it’s odd Doom… I really don’t care about the Hornsby or Ruth votes. We know they’re getting in so I don’t understand the attraction. Personally I’m more interested to see who will claim the final 5-10 open spots.

I think the bigger issue with the website is that it hasn’t grown. Which means that we haven’t attracted new voters during the process.

brp
brp
8 years ago
Reply to  David P

Yeah, I’m really unclear as to why this place doesn’t seem to be attracting new readers/writers. It’s confusing.

Tim P
Tim P
8 years ago
Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
8 years ago

Bobby Murcer was in on the pine tar game. He knew it was coming.