This Circle of Greats (COG) vote is not to induct anyone into the Circle. Instead, this round of voting will select three or more players who will be restored to the secondary ballot after having been previously dropped from eligibility.
In this vote you may include on your ballot any major league baseball player who:
– was born before 1975; and
– played a majority of his career games since 1901 or compiled 20 WAR (as measured by Baseball-Reference) since 1901; and
– has not been elected to the Circle of Greats; and
– was not among the main or secondary ballot holdovers for the last completed round of COG balloting (1974 Part 4 COG Balloting)
For this round of voting, you may vote for up to five (5) five players to cast a qualifying ballot. The players with the 3 highest vote totals, including ties, will be restored to the secondary ballot for the next round of COG voting. To assist you with your selections, career stats for the most eligible candidates are provided here (though you may vote for any qualifying player).
The deadline to cast your ballots in this redemption round is Tuesday night, January 28th at 11:59PM EST. You can change your votes until 11:59PM EST on Sunday night, January 26th. You can keep track of the vote tally in this redemption round here: COG 2020 Redemption Round Vote Tally.
I’ll get the ball rolling with Fred Clarke, Billy Williams, Vic Willis, Don Drysdale and Jim Bunning.
I will join Doug in naming my five. I’m going to try to do some advocacy in my post, too. As many of you here may remember, I’m not super hot on the early days of baseball, so Doug and I have a few differences on our ballot. But there’s a lot of agreement. Here are my guys:
1. Don Drysdale – As some may remember, I have a history of advocating for some pitchers. I think eventually, just to appease me personally, those guys get where I would like them to be. Don Sutton is on the secondary ballot; Kevin Brown is in. Another player I’ve advocated for throughout this process is Don Drysdale. A lot of us have been Bill James readers. In Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame or The Politics of Glory, depending on which book you read it in, James RIPS into Drysdale. That argument is very memorable: basically, that Drysdale came up short whenever the Dodgers needed him most. However, there is some nuance to that argument. As I recall, the argument was basically that Drysdale was not as good as his reputation. And that’s fine with me. My contention is that, at this point, more than 25 years (!!!) since the publication of that book, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. My own peak-adjusted WAR version (which DOES incorporate FIP data, which is much more bullish on Drysdale) has him worth 71.2 WAR – an obvious inclusion for a player with no real off-the-field things that may harm his reputation. Add in the nearly 6 hitting WAR, and I think there’s no doubt on him.
2. Jim Bunning – Bunning is, to me, an obvious player. His career bWAR is probably the LEAST-flattering way to look at his career, other than his W-L record. Looking at anything else, it’s pretty obvious to me that he was a far better control pitcher than others in his era, as well as being an absolute horse. I think the most similar pitcher is another player who was a memorable Phillie: Curt Schilling. Right-wing political thoughts, power pitcher who avoided walks, successful in both leagues, struggled to get votes from the writers. Bunning is the lesser of the two, but absolutely belongs in the conversation with the Tiants and the Reuschels of the world.
3. Mark McGwire – I don’t think I’ve ever voted for Mark McGwire. I’m more sure how to deal with a player from what Jay Jaffe calls the “Wild West” PED era than I am with the Manny Ramirez and Rafael Palmeiro types who were actually caught in the testing era. McGwire was an absolutely incredible hitter. Outside of PEDs, durability is the only barrier I see to his induction. He was injury prone. I think there’s probably enough volume there. Also, I didn’t want McGwire to get in earlier, when the Circle was smaller. But as the writers have returned to an earlier level of electing players, I think McGwire is probably right around the range of players who get elected now. So I’m going with him here.
4. Jim Edmonds – Man, Edmonds was good. I don’t know what else there is to say. His peak was better than his career totals. He’s (somewhat unfairly) thought of as a player who derived a tremendous amount of his value from defense… but that’s just not true. Yes, he was an above-average CF, even a very good one for the first 2/3 of his career. But he had a 132 OPS+! That’s better than guys like Andruw Jones (111) or COG-honoree Kenny Lofton (107). It’s better than first-ballot Hall of Famer Kirby Puckett (124), and in a longer career (as measured by PAs). Heck, Billy Williams is in this redemption round. Through Williams’ fabulous, maybe-shoulda-been-MVP 1971 season, Williams has a similar number of career PAs (8300, actually, so a little more, but I figured it’s better to INCLUDE his best season, rather than EXCLUDE it). Williams, in those years, had a 136 OPS+. A little higher, yes – but he was a corner outfielder, and a below-average one at that. Don’t you think that, maybe, if THAT guys is a serious candidate, we should also take a look at a player who was a similar hitter and better defender? Makes sense to me. So I’m going with Edmonds.
5. Gary Sheffield – Speaking of great hitters… there’s Sheff. I should hate Gary Sheffield. Grew up hating him, actually. As a Milwaukee boy getting into baseball in the mid-90s, I learned from local sports radio that the name of Sheffield was supposed to make your blood boil. This was largely due to A.) unfair expectations that he would be Robin Yount, B.) some pretty unfair racial politics toward Sheffield, and C.) the fact that Sheffield, like a lot of young men, said some dumb stuff without really thinking it through, and he said it about the hometown and team so many of us loved. But his discipline as a hitter, his ability to do literally EVERYTHING well in the batter’s box (he walked, he hit for average, he hit for power, he avoided strikeouts, and he generally avoided double play balls) makes him a guy I just really admired as a player. Plus, he clearly loved the game of baseball, even when the business of baseball was unkind to him. I think that, to some extent, Sheffield is a victim of jumping teams (or being forced to jump teams, as the case may be) very often. That sort of thing can hurt a reputation. For example, I usually think of him in a Braves uniform, I think because of an SI cover…but he was only there two years. My next thoughts are of Milwaukee, because of the local connection and the fact that I had (maybe still have somewhere?) his rookie card. Then, I think of the pinstripes. The thing is, literally the first THREE teams I think of, don’t include his dominant seasons with the Padres, Marlins, and Dodgers, respectively, which make up the prime DECADE of his career. He’s a tough one to think of in the normal way.
With Sheffield, the big knock is his defense. Baseball-Reference ranks him with 80.8 oWAR and 60.5 total WAR. That’s an even bigger hit than famously indifferent/incompetent defender Manny Ramirez takes (81.8 -> 69.4). Had Sheffield been a DH his whole career, he would’ve been around -220 as a defender (that’s a run every 50 PAs). Instead, he ranks as -272. Getting that 5 WAR back would be a big boost, in his case. Should we punish him because his teams used him sub-optimally? Besides, as I’ve brought up here before, Sheffield’s defensive reputation is NOT unanimous: Michael Humphreys’ DRA (the defensive base for WAR at The Baseball Gauge) says that Sheffield was a bad defender, but not among history’s worst. It ranks him literally 100 runs better than Baseball-Reference. I don’t know that there’s any other player with that wide a spread in ability. So I think that, if we take Baseball-Reference’s opinion on his defense with a grain of salt, either by treating him as a DH or treating him as merely a bad defender, rather than the worst in MLB history, we get a player who is an obvious candidate for the COG, and a player who has a real argument for induction.
As far as others go, I’m particularly open to arguments on behalf of Hal Newhouser (a player I think might belong, but whose best seasons take place in such an unusual context that I’ve been hesitant to vote for him), Rafael Palmeiro (there’s the PED thing, obviously), Sal Bando, and Billy Williams (I was in a three-way toss-up with Bando, Williams, and Sheff for my final spot). I’d personally have no problem with those guys being on the ballot – Palmeiro, I’m least-enthusiastic about, partly due to him making an @$$ of himself in front of congress, partly because he’s basically a guy with no peak – I don’t know how much a Rafael Palmeiro, even at his best, helps you win a pennant.
OK, those are my (extremely long) thoughts on the ballot. If you read through them, I’d love to hear thoughts and discussion.
Well reasoned arguments, though explaining away Sheffield’s defense was (in my view) the weakest part of your advocacy. I’ve found that 65 WAR is a good rule of thumb for COG position players. Above that line, you probably need good reasons to exclude, and below it you’re looking for good reasons to include.
Your advocacy for Edmonds has me considering changing my vote for Williams.
I thought Minnie Minoso was a holdover, but if not, here is a vote for him, along with Nellie Fox, Billy Williams, Jim Bunning and Fred Clarke. If Minnie is a holdover, add Dan Quisenberry.
Minoso is a holdover, so I will record your vote as Fox, Williams, Bunning, Clarke and Quiz.
Clicking on the link to the last COG voting post will show you the holdovers on each ballot. Note that Hideki Matsui and Bengie Molina were dropped from the secondary ballot as a result of the last round of voting, so they are eligible to receive your vote here.
I want to thank the BBWAA for giving us two rounds of COG voting (besides this one). I know not everyone here is happy with one of the selections… I won’t name names, though. 😉
I also just want to say that I continue to look forward to this tradition/obligation/privilege every January and February. I know that a lot of our arguments are re-hashed, year after year. Yet, every single year, I get a new way of looking at some player or issue. Every year, sure, many things will become more entrenched and more fixed in my mind. But on the other hand, every year has given me new things to consider, and I’ve changed my opinions on many players, and considered different criteria.
Also, I’m not sure if there will even be a 2021 COG election, since I’m not sure anyone gets over the hump next year (Schilling, Clemens, and Bonds are the best hopes in a batch of underwhelming first-year candidates). Given that we might have to wait two years until our next COG election, I intend to savor this one! (Not to be too much of a downer about that… it’s just that the thought crossed my mind and I felt the need to share.)
At some point, things will start to slow down; maybe 2021 will be the year.
There have been 22 players elected since 2014, after no selections in 2013. Next highest number over 7 years is only 15 (1951-56). The years 2015-18 (and 2016-19) had 13 selections, surpassing even the first four years of elections (1936-39) with 12 selections.
Doom
Mea Culpa:
.395 .448 .705 Chuck Klein at Baker Bowl
.381 .462 .710 The Legend at Coors Field
I believe Klein is one of the more ‘suspect’ members at Cooperstown. Granted, he’s no Chick Hafey, though
FWIW, neutralized stats are:
Klein—— .299 .357 .506 .862
Walker— .289 .373 .522 .895
Klein career normalized to 1997 Coors—— .338 .398 .570 0.968
Walker career normalized to 1930 Baker— .341 .430 .615 1.045
Doug,
How about?:
Klein’s career normalized to 1930 Baker – .351 .413 . 594 1.007
1997-2002 Walker 775 G 3,227 PA 157 OPS+ These are Walker’s best 6 consecutive seasons per OPS+
1929-1933 Chucky 759 G 3,436 PA 160 OPS+ These are Klein’s best 5 consecutive seasons per OPS+
Finally, 4.25 R/G, the neutralized standard:
.289 .373 .522 Walker
.299 .357 .506 Klein
Splitting hairs, Walker and Klein played in the greatest offensive eras in the game’s history and, in the midst of their respective eras, played in the most ridiculously offense favoring parks. I’ll go out on limb here and suggest that EVERY ballplayer who has ever called Colorado his home park for 300 games evidences enough tangible data to prove that they were very fortunate to play for the Rockies….from Galarraga to Arenado. And, the ‘neutralizer” tol on b-ref doesn’t do justice to the extremes – i.e. Dodger Stadium in the 1960’s, Wrigley, Fenway, Coors, Baker Bowl, Sportsmans Park,etc….when adjusting stats.
“Good hitter hits well in good hitters’ park” is not much of a surprise. But the two have VERY divergent stories if you look at their production elsewhere:
.277/.338/.407 Klein AWAY from the Baker Bowl
.282/.375/.501 Walker AWAY from Coors
Walker away from Coors was basically Prince Fielder (.283/.382/.506). Klein away from the Baker Bowl was basically Wally Pipp (.281/.341/.408). A substantial difference, I would say. And since both players played in very similar offensive environments, the comparisons basically hold. I will take the monster at home who, even on the road, is Prince Fielder. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Doom,
“.282/.375/.501 Walker AWAY from Coors” in the midst of the greatest hitter’s era of the last 80 years. Is that truly exceptional? Is the Vegan Prince a HoF’er?
But, he’s in Cooperstown on July 26th and working on his speech as we type. Not so sure one of those guys from Fangraphs isn’t going to be intrducing him.
For road numbers? When he doesn’t get to play at the best hitter’s park on the league? Yeah those are good enough, particularly for an elite defender. To me, there’s an argument that he doesn’t belong in the COG. But the bar for the HOF is soooooo much lower. He’s solidly a Hall of Fame player.
Doom,
“He’s solidly a Hall of Fame player.”
10th ballot, 76.6 % of the BBWAA vote? I can’t say that the BBWAA was all THAT convinced. But, he’s in. And, he can enjoy it for the rest of his life. Good for him, no kidding
Paul E, sometimes I look at WAR as a function of either IP or PA. One thing I thought was interesting was that Walker put up 1 WAR per 127 PA in Montreal and 1WAR per 99 in Colorado. And he was particularly poor in the Astrodome: 162 PA, 1HR, 9RBI, .217/.304/.308, and PAC Bell: 117PA, 2HR, 11RBI, .208/.350/333, and Shea 267PA, 8HR, 34 RBI, .218/.296/.399 Not sure how to contextualize that.
Mike L
“good hitter fails to hit in pitcher’s park” ?
I dunno, but the 22% increase in WAR production rate might not be all that uncommon among players when entering their ‘prime’. By the same token, he’s got an awful lot of ground to cover in RF in Colorado and, perhaps that further enhanced his dWAR rate and WAR overall?
He’s clocking at 1 oWAR per 179 PA’s in MTL and 1 oWAR per 110 PA’s in COL. That represents an improvement of 38 % and might be unprecedented. But, proving that would take a lot spreadsheeting beyond my pay grade. I suspect it’s not all that uncommon among guys like Castilla, Galarraga, Burks, Jay Payton, Cargo, and a bunch of others I’m not recalling off the top of my head who called Denver home
Beyond my pay grade as well. Thought it was interesting. Most of the true superstars are that way from a young age. Walker was a very good player in Montreal. Had his peak year at age 30 in Colorado in 1997.
One thing to remember about Walker’s younger days was how raw a talent he was, having had very little exposure to baseball prior to being signed (he was a hockey player who thought baseball was “boring”). So, he had to cover a lot of development ground quickly in his early years (and likely needed to recover some of the same ground after reconstructive knee surgery wiped out his entire 1988 season, the year before he first made the big club). Given his evidently exceptional natural talent, quick and large improvements may not be too surprising.
Castilla 1 oWAR per 263 PA’s while a Rockie(y ?); 0.1 in 2,933 PA’s otherwise
Galarraga 1 in 190; 1 in 324
Burks 1 in 147; 1 in 154 (I guess it’s possible not to have extremes)
Holliday 1 in 149; 1 in 171
Got curious:
.306 .370 .431 – Derek Jeter, away from home
.283 .344 .459 – Cal Ripken, away from home
.306 .347 .463 – Roberto Clemente, away from home
.312 .376 .536 – Vladimir Guerrero, away from home
.300 .361 .491 – Ryne Sandberg, away from home
.302 .387 .395 – Wade Boggs, away from home (over .150 less than home numbers)
.292 .363 .432 – Roberto Alomar, away from home
.293 .389 .501 – Chipper Jones, away from home
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.299 .367 .463 – mean of the above
.282 .375 .501 – Walker away from Coors
Honestly, Walker is basically the same as those guys, solid Hall of Famers, all. They’re also similar-enough players: good defenders and top defensive positions. Not all the same era, obviously, but half the group were his contemporaries. They all had longer careers, which is a fair objection to Walker. I don’t know… but when I look at this list, I have say that Walker stacks up very well. I think he makes perfect sense as a HOF player. Not that we need to re-litigate this. I just couldn’t help myself this morning, and I had a half hour to look it up!
I appreciate the research. A mish-mash of infielders and a Clemente who played in the second dead-ball era. Guerrero was a 1st ballot (I believe) inductee and a guy who was on the field for 150 games year-in, year-out (145 G or more in 10 seasons). Walker suffered from some nagging injuries and often played partial seasons. He had ONE seaon of greater than 143 games.
As far as Boggs and his “over .150 less than home numbers”, Walker was 1.172 OPS at Coors and that number is nearly .300 greater than his “away from Coors” numbers.
There are a lot of Walker “fans” out there. I’m sure they’re ecstatic.
Question I have to ask of him and I ask of all these guys, “Was he ever regarded as the best player in his league or major league baseball”? You know, “How often was he the best player on the field”?
It’s an odd type for which to find a comp., much less a group of them. “Short-career, high-defensive-value, corner outfielder, played in either the 1930s or 1990s, solid Hall of Fame player but not Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio or something.” There aren’t a lot of those (Guerrero… who else comes to mind? That’s part of what you do when you make up a comparison group; you find similar-but-not-identical. This seemed a pretty good group. Maybe Earl Averill (.292/.368/.478), though he played Center. Still, pretty good comp, .150 H-R disparity,
As for the last question, I mean, Walker was voted the MVP of the National League in 1997… so for one year, at least, the answer to the question was, “Literally every game, he was considered the best player.” Unlike Wade Boggs or Roberto Alomar, who were never given that distinction, Walker was considered the best player.
I also feel like there’s a moving target here. To prove that Walker was a worthy Hall of Fame hitter, first prove that his road numbers stack up to Hall of Famers. Check. Now the question is, “But what about the size of the split?” Answer: who cares? He played in a great hitter’s park; he should take massive advantage of it, and he did. But he wasn’t a COMPLETE product of Coors, as evidenced by the fact that he hit like a Hall of Famer on the road! “Was he ever the best player?” Yes, when he was voted the best player. No one is arguing that he’s inner-circle. But one of the best 200 or so Major Leaguers in history? Uh, yeah. More Andre Dawson that Joe DiMaggio, sure. But worthy.
Among 269 players in P-I database with 4000 PA away from home, Walker ranks 43rd in away OPS. Vlad, arguably his best comp, ranks 22nd (Vlad posted 1.134 OPS at Coors, 13th highest among all players with 100+ PA). Obviously, Walker is not inner circle (or he would have gotten in long before now), but top 50 is certainly a creditable ranking for any HOFer.
Doug,
Since you’re using OPS and not OPS+ and he played in a ‘lively’ offensive era, just curious how many of his contemporaries rank ahead of him in mere OPS. Like, he’s not a better hitter than Dick Allen but, since Allen played in the 60’s, his OPS is less than Walker’s….or, Chick Hafey is not a better hitter than Stargell but, same story about a different offensive era.
I believe, at one time, way back when, I found 20 or so ‘contemporaries’ of Walker whose career OPS was greater than Walker’s road OPS. I heard it from the John Autin crowd on that one…geeze, mea culpa, fellahs. I’m not exactly certain but these 20 or so guys may have exceeded EACH of his slash road numbers
Doug,
There are an additonal 19 major leaguers with 7,000 (!!) PA’s who exceeded .280 / .370 / .502 for their careers in the period 1985 through 2010. That’s not all-time; that’s a mere 25 year period. Obviously, many of these guys’ numbers are inflated by the era they played in – just like Larry. To his credit, his overall OPS+ is 141 (including COL home games). This 141 OPS+ is good for 11th among his contemporaries
I have to say, I think it’s a problem to include home game when comparing players to Walker. Most players hit better at home, often 10-20% better (or more). Few are the players who got better on the road… but even for them (like Ripken, whom I used), it’s fairer to only consider road numbers. I find it very hard to believe you’d find 19 guys who hit better than Walker on the road. Also, if you’re one of the best 20 hitters in a 25 year period and you play great defense… isn’t that, like the definition of a Hall of Fame player?
Nothing like a little scrutiny every once in a while….I’ll lower it to 5000 PA’s for the period
I’m getting a mish -mash for > 5,000+ PA’s in the period 1960-1985…..Keith Hernandez, Bobby Bonds, Yaz and Kaline (too many G and PA as a comp)…Joe Morgan (wrong position) Singleton (immobile) Carty (immobile) Carew (long career) Luzinski (immobile). Are Hernandez and Bonds Hall of Famers? I dunno….
Best comp? Maybe Billy Williams? But, Williams played day-in, day-out, (averaged 160 G/YR for 12 years!), didn’t even take an occassional seat against a tough LH, played in a very low-scoring era and amassed 2,700+ hits and 900 XBH. As far as “great defense”, obviously it’s a plus for Walker. But, RF being a key defensive position might be a stretch.
Which brings to mind Mookie Betts. Apparently, a great RF’er but not a great Cf’er…. And, as a free agent after this year, with a lot of his ‘value’ based in his speed (baserunning and defense), does he develop into a year-in, year-out 150 OPS+ while his defense and baserunning decline? The question will probably be rendered hypothetical by some GM who just offers 10-12 years and $ 350 M.
Jim Edmonds, Gary Sheffield, Don Drysdale, Stan Coveleski, and Dennis Eckersley
Eckersley has already been elected. You’ll have to choose another player for your 5th if you want Doug to count your ballot. Thanks.
Thanks for the heads up. In lieu of Eckersley, I will add David Cone.
I think Coveleski is a holdover on the secondary ballot, so you need someone else for that slot (not Smith, Irvin, Minoso or Eckersley either – all added in last years redemption)
Ha, I will eventually choose players actually eligible. Instead of Coveleski, please add Sal Bando.
Hal Newhouser
Joe Torre
Kirby Puckett
Keith Hernandez
Gary Sheffield
Sheffield
Palmeiro
Drysdale
Clarke
Coveleski
I think Coveleski is a holdover on the secondary ballot, so you need someone else for that slot (not Smith, Irvin, Minoso or Eckersley either – all added in last years redemption)
Ok. Change to Edmonds.
Hello! Just to confirm, Eckersley was elected in the last round, correct?
He is showing up on the link above where it says “To assist with your selections, career stats for the most eligible candidates are provided”. So Just wanted to make sure!
Thanks!
Coveleski is also listed there and I believe he is on the Secondary Ballot. Correct?
Thanks!
Smith also seems to still be on the Secondary Ballot. Correct?
*I see someone else posted about this recently as well, so apologies for the duplication!
Reggie Smith isn’t in need of (or eligible for) redemption votes; I think he’s still on the main ballot (over 10% in the last vote).
Sorry, haven’t cleaned up that list. Focus on the qualifying criteria in making your selections.
There’s not 5 guys on the list whom I would vote into the COG, but i offer redemption to these gentlemen:
Red Faber
Jack Quinn
Mark McGwire
Orel Hershiser
Addie Joss
For the 2020 Redemption Round, I’m voting for:
-Rafael Palmeiro
-Buddy Bell
-Tommy John
-Mark McGwire
-David Cone
Thanks!
I vote: Fred Clarke, Hal Newhouser, Urban Shocker, Billy Williams, Jim Wynn
For clarity, here are the players currently on the CoG ballots (main and secondary), and therefore NOT eligible to receive your votes.
MAIN: Luis Tiant, Dick Allen, Manny Ramirez, Bill Dahlen, Graig Nettles, Bobby Wallace, Ted Lyons, Don Sutton, Richie Ashburn, Andre Dawson, Ted Simmons, Rick Reuschel
SECONDARY: Willie Randolph, Todd Helton, Bobby Abreu, Stan Coveleski, Monte Irvin, Minnie Minoso, Andy Pettitte, Ken Boyer, Reggie Smith
After 9 voters (45 votes):
4 – Clarke, Drysdale, Sheffield
3 – Bunning, Edmonds, McGwire, Billy Williams
2 – Cone, Newhouser, Palmeiro
1 – Bando, Bell, Faber, Fox, Hernandez, Hershiser, John, Joss, Puckett, Quinn, Quisenberry, Shocker, Torre, Willis, Jim Wynn
I’m off my steroids high horse:
Sheffield, Palmeiro, Joss, Willis, Billy Williams
Here’s my list:
Hal Newhouser
Earl Averill
Gary Sheffield
Don Drysdale
Billy Williams
Redemption time:
Palmeiro
Clarke
Billy Williams
Drysdale
McGinnity
Getting hard to find separations from the pack: McGinnity packed a lot into 10 yrs, Drysdale adds value with bat, Palmeiro’s 3000H harder to ignore, Clarke and Williams highly productive in their times
Dave,
….and McGinnity won close to 500 games overall in organized baseball. That has to be considered to ‘some’ degree as far as overall contribution to the sport, no?
Players with multiple votes, with less than a day left:
6 – Drysdale, Sheffield, B. Williams
5 – Clarke
4 – Palmeiro
3 – Bunning, Edmonds, McGwire, Newhouser
2 – Cone, Joss, Willis
Cone, Drysdale, Edmonds, Sheffield, McGwire.
Final results for 13 voters and 65 votes.
7 – Drysdale, Sheffield
6 – Billy Williams
5 – Clarke
4 – Edmonds, McGwire, Palmeiro
3 – Bunning, Cone, Newhouser
2 – Joss, Willis
1 – Averill, Bando, Bell, Faber, Fox, Hernandez, Hershiser, John, McGinnity, Puckett, Quinn, Quisenberry, Shocker, Torre, Jim Wynn
Drysdale, Sheffield and Williams are elevated to the secondary ballot.